Door Bars

[Blanco]

I was just reading the Score rule book ('03-'06) & it sounds like as long as you have stock steel doors you dont have to run door bars. :confused:

Am I reading this right?

[BajaBronco13]

I haven't read the rule book but I would think most racers would want door bars anyway, no? Not sure how likely you are to get T-Boned in the desert but you never know.

CP

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

I was just reading the Score rule book ('03-'06) & it sounds like as long as you have stock steel doors you dont have to run door bars. :confused:

Am I reading this right?

Doors or no doors, I AM RUNNING DOOR BARS! Not worth the risk out there. Anything can happen and you need/want that protection.

[fj40]

I agree whit Jerry and baja, plus it closes your cage on the sides to keep it more rigid.

[Blanco]

:rolleyes: But what I'm asking is Did I read the rules correctly?
Can you in fact not run door bars at all as long as you have the stock doors in place?

Remember my plan is to build a streetable Class 3. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

YES! I'm likely to run some sort of door bar, But if the rules state that it is not required, it gives me all sorts of freedom on how low & what angles & such to maybe build one at.

The way I see it score has set their Rules & Regs at the minimum of what is safe & so being a weekend racer I think I might build just along those lines, knowing score has a clue & set their minimum there for a reason. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[retroblazer]

Are you nuts? Do I have to run door bars? It's easy enough to set something up where you can remove them when you drive on the street. I have full doors and full side bars. The reality is when you flip a steel bodied truck, there is a good chance the doors will fly open. Not always, but enough that I wouldn't rely on doors alone. Just imagine this, you flipped your truck and some other 5000 lbs. truck hits you in the dust.

[fj40]

Hey Blanco, sorry to rain in you parade, but you need to update your rule book. The valid one is 2006-2010, if you do, go to pages 33, 34 & 35.

[Blanco]

Hey Blanco, sorry to rain in you parade, but you need to update your rule book. The valid one is 2006-2010, if you do, go to pages 33, 34 & 35.

Your right, I'll order a new one.

[Norra 1000]

If you want to keep if street friendly and do not want to run side door bars why not run swing bars like a lot of drag cars use, That way you can get in and out a little more easy, The bars swing out when you pull a quick release pin that bway you have some protection in Baja you never know if you end up on your side on a rock ?

[Norra 1000]

Chris is right you should run door bars

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Here you can see one reason you should DEFINATELY run door bars!!!

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[Dust]

Ok, you own the SOB! Ban me at your will.
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I’ve been racing for more then 3 decades. Straight lines then road racing and circle track and I’ve been on my lid and seen my blood from it.
I’ve spent 4 days straight beating a racer back into raceable shape. I hate rule books and fully support bending the rules to win. And I know for a fact that it is the spaces between the lines in the rule book that often spell out clearly the difference between the winner and all the rest of the losers!
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All that said. And with all due respects you your imminence…
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If the rules say that you need a 2.00” cage and DOM tube then quit pooching the bitch and cut the non-compliant tube out and get the right stuff in there.
Sure I am being blunt! WTF are you thinking?!!
NEVER CUT CORNERS ON SAFETY!
RUN THE DAMN DOOR BARS IF THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED!!!
Look you dumb SOB (sorry Mom) the safety of the driver/co is the only thing that is important in the rule book!!!!!!!!!!.
SCORE rules are derivative of decades of experience and should be looked at as the FREEGING MINIMUM for safety requirements! If you do nothing else you MUST OVERBUILD IN THIS AREA!
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Only being an asshole kauz I love you man:eek:
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Dust
<o:p> it's raining here... Peace:cool: </o:p>

[fj40]

Ok, you own the SOB! Ban me at your will.
<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /><o:p> </o:p>
I’ve been racing for more then 3 decades. Straight lines then road racing and circle track and I’ve been on my lid and seen my blood from it.
I’ve spent 4 days straight beating a racer back into raceable shape. I hate rule books and fully support bending the rules to win. And I know for a fact that it is the spaces between the lines in the rule book that often spell out clearly the difference between the winner and all the rest of the losers!
<o:p> </o:p>
All that said. And with all due respects you your imminence…
<o:p> </o:p>
If the rules say that you need a 2.00” cage and DOM tube then quit pooching the bitch and cut the non-compliant tube out and get the right stuff in there.
Sure I am being blunt! WTF are you thinking?!!
NEVER CUT CORNERS ON SAFETY!
RUN THE DAMN DOOR BARS IF THEY ARE NOT REQUIRED!!!
Look you dumb SOB (sorry Mom) the safety of the driver/co is the only thing that is important in the rule book!!!!!!!!!!.
SCORE rules are derivative of decades of experience and should be looked at as the FREEGING MINIMUM for safety requirements! If you do nothing else you MUST OVERBUILD IN THIS AREA!
<o:p> </o:p>
Only being an asshole kauz I love you man:eek:
<o:p> </o:p>
Dust
<o:p> it's raining here... Peace:cool: </o:p>

WoW!! this is the only way most of us undestand.... Great Dust.
Hey Blanco, check chupas treads and see our rig after rolling down the cliff... that one was overbuild in the door bars department, we did have a hard time geting in or out, but I don´t think any of us minded after the incident.

[Blanco]

You guys really need to pay closer attention.. :rolleyes:

I posted this Pic, showing what my Cage will basically look like.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/510967/fullsize/img_3807.jpg
I hope you can see the DOOR BARS!

& Originaly I was asking

I was just reading the Score rule book ('03-'06) & it sounds like as long as you have stock steel doors you dont have to run door bars.:confused:

Am I reading this right?

& then I also said.
YES! I'm likely to run some sort of door bar, But if the rules state that it is not required, it gives me all sorts of freedom on how low & what angles & such to maybe build one at.

Realize I might not ever actually race & this is all food for thought I'm gathering. :rolleyes:

I'll be looking at lot of things I never bothered to look at before on everys ones racers at Contingency this time.. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif

[fj40]

Even sow, I THINK WE MADE A POINT!! for future referense, sorry Blanco had to be the dark horse in this issue.
By the way, thats wat I need for the FJ, it´s crampier and higher bars wont work....

[chupakabras]

our early chupakabras.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/520597/fullsize/chupakabras.jpg
and the actual chup...
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/520599/fullsize/dscn2217.jpg

[151FAB]

The "this side up" sticker on that should bring you luck, no? I think that is what went wrong with the first Chupakabras.

[roach]

our early chupakabras.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/520597/fullsize/chupakabras.jpg
and the actual chup...
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/520599/fullsize/dscn2217.jpg


2 things.............

1) listen to the video - it sounds to me like the other buggy never actually got off the gas until just a couple of feet before he hit him!! and by the video, it looks (at least i think) like section that is rough, but you can see a good distance in front of you........WTF???

2) not to be a one to call people out, but Chupa............i was looking at your cage and i see that the "A" pillar has the support down at the bottom by where the door jam is. acting more like a gusset than a support. there is no support for the top "bend" of the "A" pillar and that will fold like a can if it ever went end over end (not so much barel roll). did you guys build it like this to be easier to get in and out or for another reason?? and i am sorry in advance if i offend anyone on this.


i was thinking of something more lilke this..........the "A" pillar is directly supported to the door bars and then to the other uprights.....

http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5290/brocno58rd0.jpg

[chupakabras]

2 things.............



2) not to be a one to call people out, but Chupa............i was looking at your cage and i see that the "A" pillar has the support down at the bottom by where the door jam is. acting more like a gusset than a support. there is no support for the top "bend" of the "A" pillar and that will fold like a can if it ever went end over end (not so much barel roll). did you guys build it like this to be easier to get in and out or for another reason?? and i am sorry in advance if i offend anyone on this.


i was thinking of something more lilke this..........the "A" pillar is directly supported to the door bars and then to the other uprights.....


first, not offended at any way, i understand, i know our job is not perfect, my bro took so many decitions on making the roll cage while i wasn't there, so...

yeaph, i see your point, actually yes, it was built to get easier to get in, we built it, 100%, altought, i like the way it was before, but, mmm, las time we didn't had an engine cage, this time we do, the inner cage is tied to te engine cage, well, my point is, we already had the chance to proof, not the right way to do it but well, we rollover pretty bad and within we were able to see the weak spots on the roll cage , the greatest loads from the impacts are generated where the real weight on the racer is, that's the front , where the engine is, our doors had some minor scratchs not to mention the door bars, they were directly intact, obviusly the loads are transfer from tube to tube to the chasis, right, all the top members or elements end up like a U, they bend but could resist more load, from the midle of the racer to the rear, the roof was verly touched, the cage was build for a 3 seats, anyway,

for us is safer to have a stock cabin, the doors already have a door bars. we didn't cut or modify the stock body frame, the front and rear bumpers are independent to the roll cage, they are tied to the chasis only, well the rear is tied to the body too,

.. if you have a side impact, mmm, hope is not a trophy truck, or a big black bronco, wich is almost imposible, they are always in front , so, hope it holds, everything has a limit, right, i know u try to build it to protect u, so, pray before the green flag drops, and drive safe, hope everybody else do the same,
.
ps. no roll cage is 100% safe, it will depends on how you hit or get hit, just look at the jesse jones tt, he was lucky, did you see where that last rock hit?, it gives me chills to think just on a couple of inches to a side,...

[chupakabras]

The "this side up" sticker on that should bring you luck, no? I think that is what went wrong with the first Chupakabras.

so far, so good.. :D :D

[Norra 1000]

Here is a look at the door bars that were built in 1969, These are on my 1970 Olds 442 W-31 Baja car, Old school style:)

[chupakabras]

Here is a look at the door bars that were built in 1969, These are on my 1970 Olds 442 W-31 Baja car, Old school style:)

cool, kind of a nascar style.. like really looking for some side impact:D

[Norra 1000]

these were built to keep James Garner safe

[Dust]

these were built to keep James Garner safe


Ladies and germs!

That is the QOTD!

Dust

[Norra 1000]

Here is a photo of thr car in the 1969 Baja 1000

[Blanco]

If I was to roll & catch on fire in that Cage I'd DIE!
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5290/brocno58rd0.jpg
because I would'nt fit though any of the cab access'es you have in any sort of hurry.. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

I weigh about 280 lbs. :o
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/493851/fullsize/img_1783.jpg

[chupakabras]

If I was to roll & catch on fire in that Cage I'd DIE!
http://img481.imageshack.us/img481/5290/brocno58rd0.jpg
because I would'nt fit though any of the cab access'es you have in any sort of hurry.. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

I weigh about 280 lbs. :o

i agree with you, i was looking for the exit door :confused:

[Blanco]

i agree with you, i was looking for the exit door :confused:

Being protected is of the Most importance!

But being able to get out in a hurry seem kinda important to me as well..

& considering I'm a FAT ASS! :o

I like the door Bars I posted better. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/510967/fullsize/img_3807.jpg

NO they dont Offer the same protection, & I'm ok with that. :cool:
It will protect my body from being plowed?

I can see room for a swing away bar, if needed. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif

[roach]

no offense to anyone here that does not eat at Subway (:D ) but here is my look at motorsports....................the race car's safety is built around the driver. in my case - 5' 8" 160lb = no problem getting in and out. and if not, what about these.........

ever watch a guy get in and out of a nascar?
ever watch a drag racer get shoe-horned in and out?
seen the cockpit of an Formula 1 car?
oval track?
sprint cars?
the list goes on as far as tight exits.

tight cages, tight fits, enough times in and out and you will be in and out in no time.

oh, and dont forget my favorite, THE DUKE BOYS AND THE GENERAL LEE!!!:D

so, my point is if you are a full sexy 280lbs, you want to build your car around the fact that you need to get in and out, my truck is built this way. i will find you a photo i have of the trophy truck window and you can see the opening in that and tell me what you guys think. then again, maybe its just me, i jump into openings like these all day long at work;)

[Blanco]

no offense to anyone here that does not eat at Subway (:D )
so, my point is if you are a full sexy 280lbs

I saw this comming! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/HistericalSmiley.gif

[chupakabras]

I saw this comming! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/HistericalSmiley.gif

:D :D :D :D
give me some time and some SUBWAY'S and i'll be like you cam. :D:D:D:D
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/493851/fullsize/img_1783.jpg[/

[151FAB]

Is that a Tecate Light your drinking???:):):):)

[BajaBronco13]

Is that kind of like when I order a double chili burger with extra cheese and a small diet coke? LOL :D

[chupakabras]

Is that a Tecate Light your drinking???:):):):)

actually , it is, it's a tkt light, haha, i only dring at baja, haha, believe it or not, that's when i see most of our friends, and i have a friend that looks like CAM, just a few inches smaller, well, very few, and he likes to drind tkt lights, that's why we always have tkt lights at baja.,,

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/520792/fullsize/dscn2215.jpg

[kkspeedracer]

don't run without them....believe me when gordon, herbst and ragland etc. start coming up on you in the dust traveling 100+ you'll want to be in a solid steel ball....even when the track is straight they seem to be going in 10 different directions.