Calif. smog testing Diesels now?!?!

[Blanco]

Beginning January 1, 2010 California will smog test all '98-and newer diesel trucks.

Their talking about going back over 10 years in smog checking them.

Did they even have any smog equipment back then?

I just heard about this now that I'm looking into selling my Dually & getting a diesel 4x4 dually instead.

Lucky for me I heard about this before buying one thats gonna be on the smog check list...

Seems 97 & older will be ok?

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/dieselcoms1108.html

http://www.autorepair.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/dieselpresent.pdf

[flyinbronco]

I'd blame this on my friend Bob. He's got a hopped up Excursion with a 7.3 liter Power Stroke and his favorite thing is racing kids in thier tuner cars (rice rockets). That big ole truck just kicks their butts. Then to add to the humiliation he lugs it down and pukes out a big cloud of black smoke on them.

[vistaracing1]

hey blanco, electronics have made the newer diesels much more efficient / powerful (but also more $) so do your homework on an older diesel, good luck!

[Blanco]

hey blanco, electronics have made the newer diesels much more efficient / powerful (but also more $) so do your homework on an older diesel, good luck!

Thanks, But I cant afford the newer ones & so far from my studies, the '95-'97 seem like a good buy.

I want something pre-smog that friendly to hot rodding. :D

[wiley-moeracing]

If you are looking for a older diesel truck, the best bet would be a 97 f-250/350 with the 7.3 turbo intercooled motor, very good but a little loud or (I know you ford guys are going to hate it, but a dodge 2500/3500 would also be great) Thanks Tim

[Blanco]

If you are looking for a older diesel truck, the best bet would be a 97 f-250/350 with the 7.3 turbo intercooled motor, very good but a little loud or (I know you ford guys are going to hate it, but a dodge 2500/3500 would also be great) Thanks Tim

To be honest I was considering the Dodge, '94+
& I might still do it.

Seems from my studies that Ford may not of made the '95-'97 4x4 dually in an extra cab & thats really what I want.

If I cant find a extra cab 4x4 dually FORD, I might go Mopar if I dont accept another 4 door.

But the thing I dont like about my Chevy dually 4door is its just so damn long! :rolleyes:

[Broncodawg]

What loads you going to haul that requires the dually?
SRW wheels better especially in sand, better mileage, and still hauls plenty.
I know, teamsters love their duallies, but you might want to think about for the desert use it'll get.

[Blanco]

What loads you going to haul that requires the dually?
SRW wheels better especially in sand, better mileage, and still hauls plenty.
I know, teamsters love their duallies, but you might want to think about for the desert use it'll get.

I can see from time to time being able to make money with a dually & I like the option of being able to tow a wider range of equipment.

& How does 4 tires get better traction than 6? :confused:
I figure the more tire you have grabbing the surface the better traction?

We're sorta getting Off topic here, & Maybe we should start another thread?

[wiley-moeracing]

I am slanted towards dodge/jeep, and I own a 2003 2500 4x4 cummins and love it, plus its easier to work on than ford or chevy(journeyman mechanic by trade) but it does not ride as smooth as a ford or chevy but hey its a truck!. Honestly you can't go wrong with any of them just find one that has not been beaten to death!Thanks Tim

[Broncodawg]

Even tho this new smog law will impact 99 and newer trucks, at least in Ford's case the 99 and newer 7.3s run circles around the older 7.3s.
Even with the new smog laws, the newer 7.3s might still out perform the older ones.
Question is how much will the new smog law choke them down.

[Blanco]

Even tho this new smog law will impact 99 and newer trucks, at least in Ford's case the 99 and newer 7.3s run circles around the older 7.3s.
Even with the new smog laws, the newer 7.3s might still out perform the older ones.
Question is how much will the new smog law choke them down.

Actually from what I read its '98 & beyond.
I know the new 2008 & newer diesel trucks get crappy milage compared to the older ones.

[straightaxle]

Actually from what I read its '98 & beyond.
I know the new 2008 & newer diesel trucks get crappy milage compared to the older ones.

Flyin' Broncos '09 Ford will run circles around my low mileage 97 in every way, shape and form, including mileage and ride. We often run together going to these races with similar loads. Mine has just about every mod imaginable, except an intercooler, and his is box stock.

[Broncodawg]

I know the 6.0s have tons of power, but seems like many shying away from the early 6.0s over reliability, so i was only referring to 7.3s.
What was the first year of 6.0s anyway?

Little Monday morning trivia for y'all: Ford spent much of 98 retooling for the 99 model and because of that there is no 98 model. They continued making 97s into 98 and started putting out 99s in late 98. Sounds odd I know, but it's true.
Having a 97 and looking at aftermarket catalogs, none ever mention 98s, so I dug deeper to find out that 97s were just registered as 98s until the 99s came out.

[flyinbronco]

Flyin' Broncos '09 Ford will run circles around my low mileage 97 in every way, shape and form, including mileage and ride. We often run together going to these races with similar loads. Mine has just about every mod imaginable, except an intercooler, and his is box stock.

I love my new crew cab. The new 6.4 engine is amazing. It averages around 15 MPG in town, empty on the highway its around 18MPG, 20 if you can drive like a grampa and towing the Bronco its around 13 MPG but it will climb the grapevine at 70 mph plus with the AC cranking. The new 5 speed automatic is pretty sweet along with the tow command system.

I have no intentions of screwing with it. It runs great, really hauls ass when you stand on it, dosen't smoke a bit and tows the Bronco well. Bring on the smog cops.

[Blanco]

The newer Diesels have this chinga under them in the exhaust system that runs a fuel line to it, to burn the exhaust after it leaves the engine.

& I believe thats part of the issue.

I have a friend with a 2008 f250 & another with a 2008 Chevy & both complained about the crappy milage.

Yet they've both been told by the dealer, that it should get better after everything is broke in. :rolleyes:

[68bronco]

all they are going to have to pass is a visual and opacity test. unless you got a really healthy program, they will pass with flying colors. im a diesel tech, work on all brands, cat, cummins powerstroke/international. i would not let smog be a deciding factor in purchasing a diesel. the maintinence is what i can swallow, in the long run, a big block gas engine will be cheaper, even though they burn more gas.

i doubt they will try and retrofit "aftertreatmant" devices like all noew heavy duty trucks and motorhomes have, if thats the case, dont buy a diesel. weather its a passive or active aftertreatmant device, they cost minimum of $5000 and ive seen them up to $15,000 including install labor.

http://www.everytime.cummins.com/every/misc/Technology/Aftertreatment_System.page

[Blanco]

http://www.smogcheck.ca.gov/80_BARResources/05_Legislative/RegulatoryActions/DieselWorkInf.html