Efi

[tattoodan]

hey guys I havent recieved my rule book yet and was just wondering if aftermarket efi is legal or does it have to be factory? and if so does the vehicle have to be originally equipt with it or can I transplant the engine from a newer model?

[Moss2]

Should be factory FI no aftermarket systems. The question of retrofit to newer stuff is kind of a grey area since several early broncos are running FI. Fine with me as long as they stick to somewhat factory system. Not sure how you get 600hp with a factory truck FI though. 350 to 400 should be okay.

[Blanco]

So in other words, I can NOT run an edelbrock intake manifold (Upper & Lower) or a BBK throttle body :confused:

[Blanco]

I guess I'll wait until after I get my new rule book.
But I was considering a swap from my factory Speed desity Computer to the later Factory Mass air system.

The MAF would allow for lots more MOD's vs what you can do with a SD system..
[Example: a stroker 351 engine to something bigger..:confused: ]

But all this does effect what SCORE might allow & not allow :confused:

Then again I must ask is this all up to Savage? :rolleyes:

Hey Chupas what do you run? Speed density? or Mass air flow?

[Moss2]

There is only one sentence in the rule book on this. "Stock factory fuel injection may be used." Have to guess what the 'spirit' of the rule is or call SCORE tech dept.

[Blanco]

There is only one sentence in the rule book on this. "Stock factory fuel injection may be used." Have to guess what the 'spirit' of the rule is or call SCORE tech dept.

Ok, Yeah I'm in with them somewhat http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

I'll call them on this as my engine rebuild get closer.. :cool:

[fj40]

I remember something about "if ofered as an option from the manufacter in that particular year/chassis".... I´m goin to look for this.

[Blanco]

I remember something about "if ofered as an option from the manufacter in that particular year/chassis".... I´m goin to look for this.

Well I do know that around 1995/6 MAF was offered on the factory EFI.

But during the years of my rig it was all Speed density. :confused:

[chupakabras]

Hey Chupas what do you run? Speed density? or Mass air flow?

MAF, our systems has a MAF, ... just need to keep it clean, and no problems at all. pretty simple.:)

[Blanco]

M.A.F. is definitly more Mod friendly. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[tattoodan]

I remember something about "if ofered as an option from the manufacter in that particular year/chassis".... I´m goin to look for this.

I hope this is not the case cause mine is a 72 . I have a 1990 with tbi that I would like to drop in for now to get going while I build a real motor.I am on a budget and want to drop the majority of coin on my suspension

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

I hope this is not the case cause mine is a 72 . I have a 1990 with tbi that I would like to drop in for now to get going while I build a real motor.I am on a budget and want to drop the majority of coin on my suspension


Shouldn't be an issue at all as long as you use a factory Ford fuel injection.

[tattoodan]

Shouldn't be an issue at all as long as you use a factory Ford fuel injection.

Its a chevy but I get the point.:D

[kkspeedracer]

i asked once years ago..it seems somewhere it said it had to come available from the factory on that year of vehicle....same with the front axle. mine's a '67 so holley it is.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Its a chevy but I get the point.:D

oops! yeah, the 1990 tbi should have clued me in. :)

[Blanco]

i asked once years ago..it seems somewhere it said it had to come available from the factory on that year of vehicle....same with the front axle. mine's a '67 so holley it is.

So are you saying I have to keep the speed density system on my '90 efi 5.8?
I can still keep the upper & Lower manifolds & the throttle body But I wanna change over to a Mass air system..

Because it allows alot more modification to the engine than a speed density system will allow. :cool:

In '95 & '96 I think the bronco switched to Mass air.

[Dust]

So are you saying I have to keep the speed density system on my '90 efi 5.8?
I can still keep the upper & Lower manifolds & the throttle body But I wanna change over to a Mass air system..

Because it allows alot more modification to the engine than a speed density system will allow. :cool:

In '95 & '96 I think the bronco switched to Mass air.

Hmmm... Ford offered the conversion... So, it is 'factory' sort of...
No one is going to notice if you are clever...
You won't have a problem until you win and somebody protests.
You can save the stuff that you take off so you could go back...

Just do it:)

Dust

[dirt_lover]

so has anyone checked the new rule book? because i found a free bronco shell but its an 89 so dont think EFI motors were out yet. Did you guys find out if i can put in a newer motor?

[Blanco]

I'm 99.9% sure the '89 was factory F.I. :)


I just looked in my book & it only states: Stock factory fuel injection may be used.

& That leads me to think you could run any fuel injection that was available in a Bronco?

& being that in '95/'96 Stock factory Broncos used Mass Air fuel injection.
That it would be legal for me, in my '90 that came with a Speed desity unit.
Its still a Stock factory fuel injection

It does not state, Stock factory fuel injection that was available for the particular year of vehicle. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

I would imagine no one will care unless you come in & Dominate the field, & thats not likely to happen. :rolleyes:

& if it did, I feel as the way the rules are writin you would be within the limits of the rules, if you are running Stock factory fuel injection

Thats http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

I mean Heck, The Carb rules are fairly loose.

Any make of automotive carburetor(s) may be used maintaining a combined total of not more than one venturi per cylinder

When you think about it, Thats really not fair. :mad:

Any make of Carb up to 8 barrels & FI is forced to run factroy stuff?

Then again I dont see it stating no none factory fuel injection allowed?
It says May, Not Must. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif

Looks like I'll be Calling SCORE again. :rolleyes:

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

COMPETITION REGULATIONS
Page 30, CR23: ENGINE AND ENGINE DISPACEMENT
"Where applicable, engines must displace no more than specified, and SCORE may check engine dispacement and location. In classes that require stock fuel injection, this will require the use of stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor for which it is attached. Computer and injectors are open."

[B]CLASS 3
Page 58 COMPETITION REGULATIONS
'Manufacturers body, engine, and chassis combinations must be retained. This class is an open production class and all componets will be considered open unless restricted heroin'.

CLASS 3
ENGINES, TRANSMISSIONS AND DRIVELINES
Page 60, CR23 ENGINE AND ENGINE DISPLACEMENT.
Engine must be of the same manufacturer basic design and type and have the same number of cylinders as the one installed by the manufacturer. Any displacement engine may be used as long as the original block casting remains the same. Block must be made of the same type of material as that of the block that is installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer for the particular chassis and body series. If vehicle is supplied with an aluminum block, only the aluminum block installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer may be used. Engine must be readily available to the general public in the USA.
Engine must not have more valves per cylinder than the stock heads that were delivered in that vehicle.
Any make of automotive carburetor(s) may be used maintaining a combined total of not more than one venturi per cylinder. Stock factory fuel injection may be used.
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OK, I believe that that is all there is in there for class 3 about motors, carbs, and fuel injection. So with all that in mind, the block has to be the same casting (Savage interpretes this as in the same "family" of engines) that came in the vehicle, any carbed motor can run fuel injection, but it has to be a factory fuel injection and you must use a factory intake and throttle body for the fuel injection for the motor for which it is attached, but injectors and computer are open.....So, for the Ford fuel injection guys, you could run a Mustang, Explorer, Bronco, Ford Truck, Ford car or Ford Lightning intake as long as it came on the same casting motor that you are using in your Racer.....But you can't go and use an Edlebrock or other "after market" intake or throttle body. (Too bad, I wanted to use an Edlebrock on mine, but I won't. I will stick to the rules.)....so, the carbed guys and FI guys can do any of the above. ......AND, the CARBED guys can run any factory OR aftermarket intake IF they are staying carbed.

Maybe the Chevy guys and other manufacturer Racers can post up the specifics for their makes. That's all I got for now. Gotta go to bed.

[Blanco]

OK it still seems like I can run the Mass air because that basically part of the computer & runs the same manifolds & throttle body as the Speed density. :)

( Bummer because I wanted to run a Edelbrock upper & lower with a BBK throttle Body. )

What confuse'es me now is the Displacement issue.

A Big part of why I wanna run Mass Air is because it would allow me to Stroke the 351.

Pg. 60

Items with no restrictions include:

(A) Strengthening & balancing
(B) Valve train & camshaft
(C) Bore & stroke
(D) Pistons
(E) Blueprinting
(F) Oil & water cooling systems
(G) Air cleaners
(H) Fuel pumps
(I) Exhaust systems
Water & vapor injection not allowed unless originally equipped.


Then you posted this?
Page 30, CR23: ENGINE AND ENGINE DISPACEMENT
"Where applicable, engines must displace no more than specified, and SCORE may check engine dispacement and location. In classes that require stock fuel injection, this will require the use of stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor for which it is attached. Computer and injectors are open."

So is that saying if fuel injected you can not change the (C) Bore & stroke

These almost seem like two different issues that were lumped together?

"Where applicable, engines must displace no more than specified, and SCORE may check engine dispacement and location.

Where is it Applicable? :confused: & specified by what?

In classes that require stock fuel injection, this will require the use of stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor for which it is attached. Computer and injectors are open."

Ok this we've come to understand.

[toddz69]

so has anyone checked the new rule book? because i found a free bronco shell but its an 89 so dont think EFI motors were out yet. Did you guys find out if i can put in a newer motor?

EFI came out in mid '85 on the 5.0s in Broncos and in '87, I believe for the 5.8s so your '89 would definitely be injected.

Todd Z.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

OK it still seems like I can run the Mass air because that basically part of the computer & runs the same manifolds & throttle body as the Speed density. :)

YES

What confuse'es me now is the Displacement issue.
Big part of why I wanna run Mass Air is because it would allow me to Stroke the 351.

There is no displacement issue. Do whatever you want. THE ONLY THING IT STATES is the original casting. I stated the location and page of the rules I posted so you guys can confirm them and understand where they are from. REMEMBER, it stated in there about displacement... "Where applicable", and REMEMBER it states "The class is OPEN, unless specified", dispacement is NOT restricted in C3, which means it is NOT applicable. In other words, Cam, STROKE IT BABY, STROKE IT REAL GOOD! :)




Then you posted this?


So is that saying if fuel injected you can not change the (C) Bore & stroke

NO IT IS NOT.

These almost seem like two different issues that were lumped together?

YES, THEY ARE TWO DIFFERENT ISSUES. THERE IS A PERIOD BETWEEN THEM IN THE RULE BOOK. ONE IS NOT DEPENDENT ON THE OTHER.



Where is it Applicable? :confused: & specified by what?

IT IS APPLICABLE WHEN IT IS SPECIFIED IN THE RULE BOOK UNDER THE C3 SPECIFIC SECTION. IT IS APPLICABLE IN SOME OTHER CLASSES AND IT STATES IT IN THEIR SPECIFIC SECTION OF THE RULE BOOK.



Ok this we've come to understand.

SORRY, I COULDNT FIGURE OUT HOW TO MULTI QUOTE YOUR MULTI QUOTE. HOPE THIS CLEARS THINGS UP. Jerry

[151FAB]

Bore and stroke all you like as long as your not buying an SVO or aftermarket casting.

Run any intake, mass air, throttle body, injectors, computer, heads, cam, valves, exhaust, etc. Your still running the stock fuel injection system.

I think your reading too far into this. If coil sprung front ends can become coil-over and leaf sprung suspensions can become quarter-elliptical, linked units; then why assume that the engine rule would be any less open? Of course a simple call to Savage would settle all this... Maybe?

[151FAB]

Cam, your body style might limit you to Fuel Density. MAF wasn't offered for your rig, as you know. The '92 and later rigs had MAF on the 5.0 in '94 and MAF on the 5.8 in '95, I would think they would be fine. Just my opinion.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Run any intake, mass air, throttle body, injectors, computer, heads, cam, valves, exhaust, etc. Your still running the stock fuel injection system.

I DONT THINK SO, 151. RULE SPECIFICALLY STATES ON THIS ONE: page 30 "stock intake minifold and throttle body for the motor for which it is attached"...But there is no requirement that the motor has to be from the same year or vintage as the vehicle.


I think your reading too far into this. If coil sprung front ends can become coil-over and leaf sprung suspensions can become quarter-elliptical, linked units; then why assume that the engine rule would be any less open? Of course a simple call to Savage would settle all this... Maybe?

I DONT THINK THAT IS A GOOD EXAMPLE BECAUSE UNDER SUSPENSION IT STATES: page 59
"same basic DESIGN and CONCEPT as originally produced and installed on the chassis to which it mounted. This will be deter4mined by manufacturer of chassis and the year the chassis was manufactured"...

THE STOCK INTAKE RULE ON PAGE 30 IS SPECIFIC WHEN IT STATES "STOCK" .....IT DOES NOT STATE "STOCK CONCEPT" IN THIS ONE.

[151FAB]

I stand corrected. Thank you.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

I stand corrected. Thank you.

No worries. The rules can be very confusing. I have been reading them very closely and following them. I want to race, have fun, and be competetive....all within the rules. Hey, some of the Bronco's came with a 400, so you could even run one of those if you wanted. :)

[roach]

you can use "ANY FACTORY FUEL INJECTION SYSTEM THAT WAS OFFERED IN ANY ENGINE SIZE OFFERED FOR YOUR VEHICLE". as simple as that. no mention of years. got a 351w? run any factory EFI that was offered to a 351w. got a 289?? run any factory EFI offered to the 289 and the 351w becouse they are both basically the same engine on the outside.

[DarrenSkilton]

I had a discussion with Bill Savage about EFI several weeks ago. Bottom line is you must run the stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor. The motor must match the model of vehicle. The computer, injectors, plenum and engine wiring harness are all free.
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[Blanco]

I had a discussion with Bill Savage about EFI several weeks ago. Bottom line is you must run the stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor. The motor must match the model of vehicle. The computer, injectors, plenum and engine wiring harness are all free.

Ok, so what was the reasoning behind this? :confused:

Did he explain?

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

I had a discussion with Bill Savage about EFI several weeks ago. Bottom line is you must run the stock intake manifold and throttle body for the motor. The motor must match the model of vehicle. The computer, injectors, plenum and engine wiring harness are all free.

Actually, it says that the intake manifold and throttle body must match the motor. The motor has to be the same family or "casting" as the factory motor offered in that model. For an example, in the Fords, the Lightning motor is a 351 windsor which is the same "casting", so you could run a 351 lightning motor with the Lightning intake and be legal. I wanted to run the Edlebrock myself, but it wouldnt be class legal, so the lightning is the about the best factory legal stuff we can run.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Ok, so what was the reasoning behind this? :confused:
Did he explain?


I don't know their exact reasoning, but Savage definately just re-gurgitated exactly what the rule book says.

[pigracing]

The motor must match the model of vehicle. The computer, injectors, plenum and engine wiring harness are all free.

Wait so I can't run a 4.0L V6 out of an explorer in place of the 2.9L V6 that came in my bronco II?
Unless i'm interpreting this wrong i should be fine.

"CLASS 3
ENGINES, TRANSMISSIONS AND DRIVELINES
Page 60, CR23 ENGINE AND ENGINE DISPLACEMENT.
Engine must be of the same manufacturer basic design and type and have the same number of cylinders as the one installed by the manufacturer. Any displacement engine may be used as long as the original block casting remains the same. Block must be made of the same type of material as that of the block that is installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer for the particular chassis and body series."

[fj40]

Wait so I can't run a 4.0L V6 out of an explorer in place of the 2.9L V6 that came in my bronco II?
Unless i'm interpreting this wrong i should be fine.

Any displacement engine may be used as long as the original block casting remains the same. Block must be made of the same type of material as that of the block that is installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer for the particular chassis and body series.

Key parts......

[fj40]

Wait so I can't run a 4.0L V6 out of an explorer in place of the 2.9L V6 that came in my bronco II?
Unless i'm interpreting this wrong i should be fine.

"CLASS 3
ENGINES, TRANSMISSIONS AND DRIVELINES
Page 60, CR23 ENGINE AND ENGINE DISPLACEMENT.
Engine must be of the same manufacturer basic design and type and have the same number of cylinders as the one installed by the manufacturer. Any displacement engine may be used as long as the original block casting remains the same. Block must be made of the same type of material as that of the block that is installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer for the particular chassis and body series."

forgot this bit, hehe

[Stephen]

So if I use a 350 block from a camaro that's the same 350 block that came in a K5 but the camaro has tuned port, it's OK to run tuned port on the blazer? As long as I use the factory lower TPI manifold and throttle body?

[retroblazer]

So if I use a 350 block from a camaro that's the same 350 block that came in a K5 but the camaro has tuned port, it's OK to run tuned port on the blazer? As long as I use the factory lower TPI manifold and throttle body?

The only fuel injection on a k-5 is the tbi. Sounds like a call or email to Savage is in order.

[Stephen]

Yeah, probably so. The natural extension of this is using a 6.0L since it's as much a motor that came in a K5 as a 454 but you can get the cool injection stuff (bascially LS1) for the 6L and it's stock for the 6L block but not for the K5. It's still a GM iron v-8 so it would seem that a 6.0L is OK.

If you have to run a factory intake manifold for TBI, it's out the window for sure, other than being alum., it has nothing going for it.

We can all be lawyers and try to exploit every hole in the rules (which are swiss cheese) but it really comes down to calling Savage. He's got to get tired of this!

[Blanco]

So if your running a TBI can you run any sorta intake manifold?

Because the manifold on a TBI seems just like the same thing run under a Carb? :confused:

[EGud]

Put a front clip on it and call it a 96. Who's going to argue?

[Ckrue689]

lright, this is one reason Im not to fond of score's rules... Mass Panic.

Anyhow, IMO wouldnt it be a little more simple to just take the stock block go .30 over on the bore, Forged pistons that will give a healthy 9.5:1 comp. ratio, Forged Rods, A massive port and polish, oversized Titanium valves, Titanium valve springs, free floating rocker assembly, port and polished throttle body, 700cc injectors, some headers, an MSD box and a pretty little K&N filter with some 97oct. pump gas?

Thats what I did...

so far ive had no issues with the speed density system, I just bought a chip for it and had it programmed with a different fuel curve so the system will correct itself around the new setting rather than the factory. worked for me on a Bronco II. personally I think speed density is all around easier to work with. Ive always had issues with MAF sensors and SD sytems eliminate that...

[kkspeedracer]

man....sounds too complicated. i just go down to the local you pull it with a leak down tester and find something with over a 100 per cylinder and throw a cam and a puker holley on it...spend the $$$$ on suspension (& entry fees), unless of course money is no object. all the HP in the world does you no good sitting in the garage. i thought for a long time you could run any engine (same # of cyl.) but the injection system had to be the same one available on the year/ model of the rig. i know for a long time i couldn't run inj. because mine is a '67. i guess that has changed now ??. i really need to dig out my reading glasses and look at the rule book. i think i'm sticking with a carb. when it flames out in the desert it's alot easier to figure out and possibly repair the problem. even ECM's have given me a few dnf's over the years even when you run a backup. stay simple.

[gunit]

I have read the rule book over and over. In the lead lead paragraph it says that this is an open class and all modifications are allowed unless specifically stated as not allowed. In the section regarding fuel injection it says: "factory fuel injection is allowed" it does not say that all types of fuel injection other that factory are not allowed. Therefore I believe that any type of fuel injection could be used until the rule book is clarified or re-written.

[fj40]

I have read the rule book over and over. In the lead lead paragraph it says that this is an open class and all modifications are allowed unless specifically stated as not allowed. In the section regarding fuel injection it says: "factory fuel injection is allowed" it does not say that all types of fuel injection other that factory are not allowed. Therefore I believe that any type of fuel injection could be used until the rule book is clarified or re-written.

I bet you had......
Any date set to see your TT (Trophy 3) racing?????:)
That rig rules!!! no pun intended.:D

[kkspeedracer]

i was just going by what savage told me...but that was years ago. the rule book has definitely changed. i'm no lawyer but the way i read it is it can be any factory set-up, any year but implies you can't run an edelbrock or aftermarket "built for racing" set-up. i spoke with him once about the front diff set-up also. the rule says "stock housing" but tubes and spindles can be changed. i wanted to run the later model ford hindged housing but he said it wasn't available in '67 so that was out too. i guess giving him a call would be the safest bet. i guess going by the way it is written i could run a full width housing. that would sure make it easier to keep the shiny side up and also fit those coils in there without rubbing.

[straightaxle]

i was just going by what savage told me...but that was years ago. the rule book has definitely changed. i'm no lawyer but the way i read it is it can be any factory set-up, any year but implies you can't run an edelbrock or aftermarket "built for racing" set-up. i spoke with him once about the front diff set-up also. the rule says "stock housing" but tubes and spindles can be changed. i wanted to run the later model ford hindged housing but he said it wasn't available in '67 so that was out too. i guess giving him a call would be the safest bet. i guess going by the way it is written i could run a full width housing. that would sure make it easier to keep the shiny side up and also fit those coils in there without rubbing.

If we don't get some entries out there, it won't matter what the rules are! With the exception of the TTB, all of the above have been used and run out there. As long as it has a legal cage, is close to being under the wheelbase limit, and is 4 wheel drive, we're never going to complain, and Savage will never check it. In nearly 40 SCORE races, Savage has never put a tape measure on our truck, or even had us pull the hood! People are way to hung up on the technical rules, the hard part is getting all your people there, getting them housed and fed, getting them home, making sure the fuel is at the pit, parts are where they need to be, memberships and entries are paid, trackers are paid for, time off work, etc. OK, back to the topic.

[kkspeedracer]

yeah i know what you mean about entries. really sucks....i wish i could come out and play but they dinged my cage last year at the primm and said don't bring it back. luckily they let me run that one. it's apart now and hope to be at this years primm just to piss them off.
i did get measured once for wheelbase down at san felipe right at the start line. savage doesn't care at all what you run (except for safety regs.) it's the people you run with that can protest. it's rare but it has happened in the past. people have run all year but when there is a few points between a couple cars and a championship all of a sudden a protest will show up. there were a few years when people got protested for stuff like suspension through the hood and too much travel in the front....BS stuff i know but there are people who will do it so it's better to be legal. i know you moss guys run that hovercraft stuff hidden underneath....that's why you almost never break !!! but i won't tell anyone.

[kkspeedracer]

i guess the point i was trying to make is that huge horsepower, espescially if you are just starting out, can get you in a whole lot of trouble real fast and trash a whole lot of parts. if you look at the class 7 times which are comparable in size and weight. they are running as fast or faster laps than the 3's with 4 and 6 bangers.

[gunit]

If we don't get some entries out there, it won't matter what the rules are! With the exception of the TTB, all of the above have been used and run out there. As long as it has a legal cage, is close to being under the wheelbase limit, and is 4 wheel drive, we're never going to complain, and Savage will never check it. In nearly 40 SCORE races, Savage has never put a tape measure on our truck, or even had us pull the hood! People are way to hung up on the technical rules, the hard part is getting all your people there, getting them housed and fed, getting them home, making sure the fuel is at the pit, parts are where they need to be, memberships and entries are paid, trackers are paid for, time off work, etc. OK, back to the topic.

You are right and I hope to do my part. With any luck we will be out to join you at the 1000.

[Blanco]

i guess the point i was trying to make is that huge horsepower, espescially if you are just starting out, can get you in a whole lot of trouble real fast and trash a whole lot of parts. if you look at the class 7 times which are comparable in size and weight. they are running as fast or faster laps than the 3's with 4 and 6 bangers.

Smoother is Faster. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

[Ckrue689]

i guess the point i was trying to make is that huge horsepower, espescially if you are just starting out, can get you in a whole lot of trouble real fast and trash a whole lot of parts. if you look at the class 7 times which are comparable in size and weight. they are running as fast or faster laps than the 3's with 4 and 6 bangers.

I completely understand, but the 3.4L in our seven open is just not enough. IMO its good to have the power when you need it and its just as easy to tune down the motor to keep up with the rest of the car.As far as our class 7 though, now that I got the truck dialed in the motor just cant keep up with the suspension and I can barely even come out of a turn hot let alone get to top speed quickly.

But on that note, Im about to receive the 4.0L out of the new tacoma, and with the standalone EMS it will be a night and day difference. we are going to run the Code race in Jacume in august on the 3.4 then swap the 4.0 in just in time for the 1000, which Im still debating on running due to entry fees...

[43mod]

any ideas on a carburted 4.2 ford v6 for 7 truck? currently factory fi .i think i would rather try to learn how to drive and tune the truck than learn how to be a ford mechanic.

[Ckrue689]

any ideas on a carburted 4.2 ford v6 for 7 truck? currently factory fi .i think i would rather try to learn how to drive and tune the truck than learn how to be a ford mechanic.

If your lucky enough to find an intake manifold for that motor then you have a good shot. but they dont usually have any and you have to have them custom cast. and thats pricey.

[Scott]

If we don't get some entries out there, it won't matter what the rules are! With the exception of the TTB, all of the above have been used and run out there. As long as it has a legal cage, is close to being under the wheelbase limit, and is 4 wheel drive, we're never going to complain, and Savage will never check it. In nearly 40 SCORE races, Savage has never put a tape measure on our truck, or even had us pull the hood! People are way to hung up on the technical rules, the hard part is getting all your people there, getting them housed and fed, getting them home, making sure the fuel is at the pit, parts are where they need to be, memberships and entries are paid, trackers are paid for, time off work, etc. OK, back to the topic.

And that, my friends, is why they win. Common sense rules the jungle. Nicely said!

Live from London -- Scott