YikesFab's TTB project

[Yikes]

Finally got my beams today. I'm going to begin work on cut-n-turn, lengthening, trussing and adding uniballs. For those of you that don't know me, which is most of you, my projects tend to take a while.

I'll start by sandblasting the parts. Then I'll build a set of jigs to facilitate the modification. It will hold the beams at both ends and in the middle securely. I'll cut the ends, pull them out on a prebuilt track and pivot the knuckles. This will all be done with the outer knuckles, spindles and axles in place to ensure proper clearance through the process. The intent is to mimic the Camburg 4 over units. This is my first go at this, so I'm certain to learn alot along the way.

My welds will not be TIG'd, nor will they look as nice as a pro fabber, but they will be plenty strong. Question: I've been planning to weld and gusset the pivot brackets on the frame/crossmember. Is that wise, necessary/unnecessary, adviseable, etc?

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/506825/fullsize/ttb-bundle.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/506826/fullsize/ttb-bundle2.jpg

[locopny]

do a good job and then I'll take the 2nd pair.

[Brokenbronco]

Sweet Yikes! I look forward to following your build!

[Blanco]

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Your gonna keep them within class rules right?

[Yikes]

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Your gonna keep them within class rules right?

Yup, 8" over per side. :D

[pigracing]

Good luck with those beams and post pics as you go if you can.
As for gusseting the pivot; if there just the stock one's you probably don't have to as I've never heard of anybody having problems with their stock ones.
However if it's all torn down and accessible it certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.

Man that's a nice work table too. I think i'm going to have to ditch my cumbersome wood one and fab something up like that.

[Yikes]

Good luck with those beams and post pics as you go if you can.
As for gusseting the pivot; if there just the stock one's you probably don't have to as I've never heard of anybody having problems with their stock ones.
However if it's all torn down and accessible it certainly wouldn't be a bad idea.

Man that's a nice work table too. I think i'm going to have to ditch my cumbersome wood one and fab something up like that.

Thanks for the input pig. My mini welding table is one of the best things I've ever put time into. It's not very flat, but it sure is nice to weld at a comfortable height. Here's a pic of the whole thing.

[roach]

i think it's staged. you know, like a fake movie prop. looks tooooo clean. i will post some photos of my beam mods soon.

[Yikes]

i think it's staged. you know, like a fake movie prop. looks tooooo clean. i will post some photos of my beam mods soon.

Ha! Those pics were right after I built it.......but I get that all the time. Looking forward to seeing your pics.

[Yikes]

i think it's staged. you know, like a fake movie prop. looks tooooo clean. i will post some photos of my beam mods soon.

Did you ever get some photos of your beams? Here's a picture of some recently acquired toys that will compliment my beam project. The shock is a 16", so I'll probably just sell it to help fund other parts.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/513169/fullsize/radius-arms.jpg

[jonnyslick]

Yup, 8" over per side. :D


Rules allow over 24" per side ... :eek:

[roach]

here we go..........

[roach]

well i wanted to post more photos but i keep getting a "image is too large". how are you guys posting full size photos?? my camera is set in low res to be able to send these photos. i have no problem e-mailing photos, just loading them up here.

[Yikes]

well i wanted to post more photos but i keep getting a "image is too large". how are you guys posting full size photos?? my camera is set in low res to be able to send these photos. i have no problem e-mailing photos, just loading them up here.

I've started using supermotors.net. You can upload whatever size you have to their site and then copy and paste into your thread. It does the sizing for you. If you don't mind, I'll PM my email and so you can send them direct.

[roach]

i just upload photos on RDZ..........

no problem. full size images. maybe my computer and this site do not get along??? i will try supermotors and see what happens. thanks

[jonnyslick]

www.imageshack.us

copy and paste the direct link line with inside the brackets:

dun and dun

[Blanco]

SuperMotors does automatically resize all you pics to Forum friendly sizes. :D

& thats why I use them myself.

Nobody Like's Massive pics that take 3 minutes to open & then we have to scroll up & down & left & right to see. :rolleyes:

[Yikes]

Roach just sent some awesome pictures of his beams. Will get them posted tomorrow for all to see.

[Blanco]

Roach just sent some awesome pictures of his beams. Will get them posted tomorrow for all to see.
TOMORROW!!!!????? :confused:

Why you need to http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/pound.gif with them tonight on you own before sharing? http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif

[Yikes]

TOMORROW!!!!????? :confused:

Why you need to http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/pound.gif with them tonight on you own before sharing? http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif

:D nighty night. I'll sleep well now Cam.

[Blanco]

:D nighty night. I'll sleep well now Cam.

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[roach]

how about this...............

http://img136.imageshack.us/img136/9462/gq6zp3.jpg

[roach]

ok, i am getting to know how to use this now. sorry for all the posts........
http://http://img177.imageshack.us/img177/707/dsc06308au8.jpg
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wow, i did it!!!!!!
know that i know how, i will start posting more often.

[Blanco]

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& WOW! who did those welds!

I hope to one day be able to weld like that.. :o

Thats like Racer PORN! http://bestsmileys.com/drooling/4.gif

[roach]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/awesome_dude.gif

& WOW! who did those welds!

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who do you think did those welds?????
probably the same guy who did these too........

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/79/dsc05953ou6.jpg
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[Yikes]

That's just beautiful!

[jonnyslick]

wow ... that's insane ... true artist there.

[steveG]

Roach, those look great!

What are the angled marker lines in this pic for?

http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/5494/dsc06331qt5.jpg


BTW: I dig that you extended them inboard of the radius arm.

[chupakabras]

just awsome, god, this guys really know how to weld, it makes me cry, ..
just beautiful job,
also, you just extend, and no turn? that's what it looks. maybe not need it, right?

[roach]

people, please, please, hold your applause till after the race. please.:D
it took me a while to be able to weld like that. still consider myself in training. too.

the lines from the marker are just index lines. i draw them on there first as reference. i cut them, then clamp a straight edge on my marks to line up the beams so they come out straight. i extended them 1.5" each side. this way i am not going to "border line" the rules any. as far as what chupa calls "cut and turn", this has not been done yet. alot of places will do this without having the beams on the car (exchange). you can alighn it afterwards, and hope that when they welded the "cup" back onto the beam, they did not go so far out that you will have alighment issues. the best way, IMO, is to have them on the truck, set your ride height, set your camber, then tack them in place, take the knuckels apart again, and weld them up. lots more work, but i think the only way to do it. we are setting up our ride at 2 degress camber at ride height, and maybe about 5-7 degress caster. we have not cycled it with the beams on yet, but our estimates are 16" of good usable travel. we can more than likely get more, but i think beamed trucks get such nasty camber at droop that it created more harm than good. i will post more pics as i go. it will go back to my thread though, so i dont continue to hijack this one.

[Yikes]

You're not hijacking. This has been good information for my build. Thanks roach! My beams should be back from sandblasting tomorrow, so then I can get started.

[steveG]

we are setting up our ride at 2 degress camber at ride height..., but i think beamed trucks get such nasty camber at droop that it created more harm than good.

With that much negative camber at ride height, what will it be at full bump? I've seen camber issues on beamed trucks cause more damage at full bump than at full droop.

[roach]

With that much negative camber at ride height, what will it be at full bump? I've seen camber issues on beamed trucks cause more damage at full bump than at full droop.

what will i damage????

no a/c
remote resev master cylinder on brake pedal assy

[steveG]

what will i damage????

no a/c
remote resev master cylinder on brake pedal assy

I was thinking more at the steering knuckle, spindle, etc. Keep in mind this point of view is coming from what I've seen with 2wd knuckles. I know the TTB parts are much stronger but I don't know at what point they will fail.

The steering knuckle and spindle are both designed to take the greatest loads vertically. When the front end is at full bump with excessive camber, instead of loading it vertically, the force is trying to pull the wheel off the hub/steering knuckle/spindle. On 2wd steering knuckles the spindle (bearing snout) is pressed in. Because of the pulling forces created with big negative camber, the snout likes to loosen and eventually pull out of the knuckle. This doesn't happen when negative camber is kept to a minimum. Granted the TTB the spindle is bolted on, but what's it breaking point? You may never have any issues with this but I figured It was something to consider.

Are you machining the spindle and steering knuckle to use 12 bolts per spindle? In a race application I wouldn't run it stock. Especially with a lot of negative camber.

One last thought that I don't think will apply to your truck. Excessive caster can create problems with tie rods. At full bump with a ton of caster the tie rods are under huge compression loads that can cause them to bend.

[retroblazer]

Roach How many hours a week are you actually welding? Again, thanks for showing us your work.

[Yikes]

Got the beams back from sandblasting. Now the fun begins.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/515095/fullsize/blasted-arms.jpg

[Yikes]

This isn't the kind of update I was planning on, but......both of my beams cracked in the typical places. Rather than just weld up the crack, I decided to modify the passenger side to prevent it from happening again. Fortunately I have the other set of beams to utilize for making templates. The pic below shows the first piece fitted on the spare beam.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/518259/fullsize/pass-backplate.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/518260/fullsize/pass-backplate2.jpg

Unfortunately, I didn't take step by step pictures, but below is the end result under the Bronco. It's far from pro quality, but given all the work was done while laying under the rig, it's as good as it's going to get. Should be plenty strong.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/518261/fullsize/quick-repair-on-pass-arm.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/518262/fullsize/quick-repair-on-pass-arm2.jpg

[Moss2]

You have a lot of faith in the jack builder eh?

[Yikes]

You have a lot of faith in the jack builder eh?

I figured somebody would assume that, given the view in the picture.......but this isn't my first luau. The frame is on a jack stand, e-brake on, wheels chocked, etc. ;)

[retroblazer]

I figured somebody would assume that, given the view in the picture.......but this isn't my first luau. The frame is on a jack stand, e-brake on, wheels chocked, etc. ;)

Good, we want to keep you around for awhile.

[peteh]

keep up the good work yikes! I'm really eager to see how it turns out :)

[locopny]

any updates on this B-?

[Yikes]

Notice in this picture that my Bronco is out in the street? Yeah, that's how it's been lately. I haven't had time to get on the beams, but I will soon. I'm getting very anxious to move on my own projects.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539334/fullsize/wm100_0328-(small).jpg

[Blanco]

Ok, so whats the project your teasing us with that you took the Pic through? :confused:

[Yikes]

Ha!! :D Not trying to tease. I'm building a long overdue rockcrawler cage for this.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539345/fullsize/scotts-rig.jpg

It's my first cage (and the rig's owner is fully aware of that), so I'm learning as I go. It's been rather difficult, because the rig has nothing square left on it, I'm not working on a level surface and it's his DD, so I only get a quick set-up and a few hours at a time to work on it. It's good experience though! .....and before you comment about the door bars, that's how he likes them.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539344/fullsize/drivers-rear.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539343/fullsize/burning.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539351/fullsize/hanger-mount.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/539352/fullsize/pass-rear.jpg

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif................... Interesting cage design.....

[Brokenbronco]

Practice up good now...mines next!

[Yikes]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif................... Interesting cage design.....

It's far from finished, so don't make any assumptions at this point. But yeah, interesting, hugh?

Practice up good now...mines next!

Get that thing stripped!!

[locopny]

B-
I totally understand not having enough hours in the day to get to your own stuff. I was just curious if you had been working on it.

Its taking forever and a day to get time to build on the 9"...seems like when the time is avail...the parts are enroute. god I hate Murphy.
Cage is different. spring mount base is cool and thought out it appears--much llike your sliders.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Yikes, the work looks good, but yeah, goofy looking design. Interesting bends that don't look like they will do much more than asthetics. I know, it's not done. Looking ofrward to seeing the progress.

Broken, that's a ****tty avitar!