CLASS 3 CUP!! - feedback needed!!

[AngerIssues]

Ok guys, I'm not going to post this in the racers-only section, but I hope to keep the majority of the feedback to those who either are racing or serious about building racers and wonder what the future holds.

I tend to be a bit verbose, but the nature of this thread is based on the following points. I will add more as they come in:

1) Racing is way expensive, and racing against 1, 2, or 3 others is no fun and has no return. One series (BITD) already scrapped class 3 and was very expensive anyway. SCORE, as you all know, is VERY expensive (3600 entry only for the 1000). Don't get me started on the annual vehicle inspections, which we can't make go away.

2) SCORE-only racing means we are limited to the schedule they propose, and we miss out on some really great races for lower prices in places like California, Northern Nevada, San Felipe (now), and even Idaho, Utah, Arizona, and Rocky Point, Mex (for other examples).

3) Racing in Baja means long travel and even more recent threats to our families and friends.

WHAT IF.....

a) We created a separate "series"... NOT a sanctioning body. Similar to Jeep-speed.

b) Anyone serious enough to JOIN the C3Cup Series gets a vote on such things as:
- what races SHOULD we run?
- whose rules SHOULD we use?
- what should our CUP fees be?
- what class should we race our C3CUP cars in? (sportsman, heavy metal, etc). Why race PRO if we are only concerned about racing against ourselves!). For example, BITD and SNORE have no class 3.

The bottom line is that there are awesome races in many diffrerent series... including SCORE, SNORE, BITD, VORRA, BORE, CODE, MDR, Whiplash? and I'm sure I'm forgetting a bunch. How about a short-course race in there... like Rosarito or CORR? :o) Maybe they would let us race with the Trophy Carts... like pinball!!

Perhaps we could try for some races closer to our C3CUP team owners... and lower the cost... raise the "return" to ourselves... and present our own handicapping for EB's, etc. Maybe even one race where Raffo's hauler-tranny can make it to! (he he).

A series run by us... FOR us (sounds like FUBU!) ha ha.

I would like to see NICE purses... NICE trophys, and a NICE end-of-the-year CUP that you get for ONE year... with your name permanently engraved...and passed on to the next winner. I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry when I spend 5000 bucks and get a 20 dollar plaque.

What say you guys? I will personally handle the "administrative" side of this, for the first year (2008): press releases, e-mails, flyers, trophies, contacting the sanctioning bodies and negotiating when possible (like JeepSpeed does).

We could elect a board of directors to address issues, competition challenges, rule violations, etc. I would also volunteer to be on that. After year-one these could be elected positions.

Raffo? Moss? Dylan/Donahoe? Chupa? EBs? Pike? new Kia guys?

Let me know what YOU GUYS (and girls :o) think.

I totally understand that some of you may have some sponsorship commitments to address next year. Speaking of that - I'm sure we could get some help in that department, if we had a legitimate SERIES. I'm sure certain companies would like to be the official light/tire/rim/shock/seat (etc) of the Class 3 Cup. I would help out with this too, by contacting people like Kartek who have ignored us after spending SO much money there. They can kick in purse money or send our business elsewhere.

ken

[BajaBronco13]

Great idea Ken and well thought out. My racer won't be ready until 2009 but I'll be happy to help anyway I can. Whether it's on the graphics side for promotion pieces or whatever else I can be useful.

Chris

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/humm_smilie.gif.........................I'm figuring we'd wanna kinda do like all the other Santions & class'es etc are doing about the cage.
If SCORE passed it its good with us..
We'd of course have to have liabilty wavers & such especially if we're not gonna make a deal with Savage to work with us on a yearly thing.

I do like your Talk & obviosly you know you can count on me to become heavily involved if I can help?

To be honest I dont know if I could ever justify paying what it cost to run SCORE. :o

[pigracing]

I know this idea has been tossed around a bit before on this site and personally I love it!

I'm pretty sure the class 11 guys were discussing this very thing over on there site last year. I'm not sure how that worked out for them but they may be able to offer some advice.
Also some of the 1400/1450 guys just announced that they are going give this kind of thing a try next year. Here's their discussion on dr if it helps/intrests anybody...http://www.dezertrangers.com/vb/showthread.php?t=60107
Jeepspeed and protruck does this very thing aswell right?

[AngerIssues]

yes, and the reason you don't see many (any?) official Jeepspeed races in SCORE is that SAL refused to negotiate to a lower entry fee for that class... as the other promoters did. Clive promised "x" number of racers if they would give the class a lower entry fee. Sal said NO WAY. Go to Parker and see all these guys race! It seemed like there were a hundred of them!

Yes, Protruck does this, but they have like 11 races in the series, and you can drop some or choose not show up. My personal thoughts are that Protruck is dying, but due to the HIGH cost and requirement that you buy all the stuff from Ivan's company. SPEC racing sounds great, but is hard to enforce. The chasis recently went from 80k to 160k, and I've heard that is without basic things like "a radio". duh. Anyway, that is a whole 'nother topic.

CAM: to answer your question. I don't WANT releases and waivers... i dont WANT to be saying: "your cage is safe". Screw that. SCORE has opened themselves up to a lawsuit, in my opinion.

We leave that up to the sanctioning body. If SNORE, for example, says... your car passes our technical inspection, they have basically approved it for THEIR race. Yes, if we have a SCORE race in the series, we would be stuck with the 250 bucks for that. Maybe we start the series each year with a SCORE race so each team is forced to get this done. I'd be OK with that, because NO DOUBT we would end up with at least one SCORE race. Don't get me wrong - I LOVE baja... but I don't think I can afford to run a whole year of SCORE again... and I skipped the 1000!! Plus, this BS in Tijuana is scaring people away.

[Kreg Donahoe]

Ken, GREAT IDEA!!! The problem is everyone races for differnt reasons. Team Donahoe will be looking for races that have big Marketing appeal. (i.e. Baja 1000, Vegas to Reno, ect.) Cost of the entry isnt the problem for us its return on our investment in marketing. Its hard to get someone excited enough to place an ad in a magazine for a win in the fudpucker 200. So if We wanted to put something together for the class 3 cup we would also have to involve some larger races. As of right now we are looking to hit:

Parker 425
Baja 500
Vegas to reno
KC midnight race
Baja 1000

I know thats not the cheepest to run for a series but it would be the Largest media bang for our buck. I guess it all goes down to why each team races. The joy of racing is priority number 2 for us. The 1st is selling our products and getting exposure for our sponsors.

i would like to here the input from everyone who really races class 3 because I'm sure we could hit a agreement and with all of us on the same program we could all help promote it.

[Blanco]

Well I as a potential future racer.

I wanna race for the love of Off Road & the fun of competition. :D
But what really keeps me from pushing forward is the fear of how much its gonna kill my bank account & ability to have much needed other nessesities in my life.

I'm on a tight budget, & if I knew that their was a less expensive way to go racing, I'd be more likely to follow through with it.

& I can only imagine most are along those lines as well, unlike Kreg, No offense Kreg.
I wish I had your means to do this sorta thing. :o

Heck I dont even own a home or have a driveway to work on my toys.

I dont know too much about jeep speed, But I do remember reading in a magazine about how they have two class'es ones more stock ( Less Expensive )
& then theres the step up from there Class.
I think I also read about a 3rd Highest dollar class as well just being add'ed.

For the Numbers to grow it has to stay affordable. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

[151FAB]

I'm not a racer, so I'll keep it short... Kreg, you have a very valid point that must be considered for this to work. Staying out of Baja with the C3cup but still including the other three races into the series would not interfere with your marketing schedule and would bring a more focused crowd to those events that do coincide with your plans. You would just need to fit in an additional few races to compete in the C3 concurrently with the other series'. By the way V2R and Parker are a must anyways and who wouldn't want the Midnight in there too!!!

[AngerIssues]

I agree with both of you. Further, we'd all LOVE to have sponsors that actually CARED what we raced.

Kreg has suggested some great races anyway. There is a good chance that some (or all) of these might end up in the C3CUP if we agree to go forward with it. BITD does have a sportsman and safari class... but what class Kreg, would you be comfortable running in BITD. if class 3 is gone?

to Team Moss: what was your opinion on the class you raced in the VtoR this year (and the whole race in general?)

Hey Cam, have the Pikes ever been on this site? With the newly built rig, I gotta believe they would find this topic interesting. I'd like to get in touch with them.

OH, and thanks Kreg, for the chuckle about the Fudpucker 200. I laughed out loud.

[Kreg Donahoe]

Blanco, I'm in the same boat as you. The differance is I DONT spend my money on racing a completly rely on sponsorship. So the return for the sponsors must be worth it for us to continue to race. Its a double edge sword. I know how hard it is to get and keep sponsors and we have been really lucky in the last few years generating returns for them. The problem I see with class 3 in general is 90% of the race trucks are too old to get real sponsors and unless we bring in new blood with newer vehicals. Class 3 will always be the old truck class with family sponsorships. I'm not saying its a bad thing. I LOVE old Broncos and Blazers. But its REALLy hard to intice a sponsor for an older truck. Quite frankly with the Wins Moss has had that guy should be rolling in sponsors. But I think the age of the truck limits him. So the question is what kind of a class do we want? Cutting edge that brings sponsor excitment??? Or the great old CLass 3 Vintage class? Both can be great..But IMO I think the latter will eventually kill the class. We need a Mix. And we need to plan this Class 3 Cup to help out both side of that equation.
Dont get me wrong here If I wanted to build a CLass 3 that was strickly built for winning races it would be a 94 Bronco just like Dave Ashleys. But I'm looking long term. I would only be able to afford to race it a few times before the money ran out because I know it would be really hard to get money out of that platform. I'm pushing new teams to build new platforms for this class. Its the only way to grow the class.

[Blanco]

Hey Cam, have the Pikes ever been on this site? With the newly built rig, I gotta believe they would find this topic interesting. I'd like to get in touch with them.

Actually one of their team members did just join the site the other day.
His Screen name is OldStropeRacing or something like that.

I think he has only lurked as of yet.

I did chat with him via a couple of PM's though.

[Kreg Donahoe]

I agree with both of you. Further, we'd all LOVE to have sponsors that actually CARED what we raced.

Kreg has suggested some great races anyway. There is a good chance that some (or all) of these might end up in the C3CUP if we agree to go forward with it. BITD does have a sportsman and safari class... but what class Kreg, would you be comfortable running in BITD. if class 3 is gone?

to Team Moss: what was your opinion on the class you raced in the VtoR this year (and the whole race in general?)

Hey Cam, have the Pikes ever been on this site? With the newly built rig, I gotta believe they would find this topic interesting. I'd like to get in touch with them.

OH, and thanks Kreg, for the chuckle about the Fudpucker 200. I laughed out loud.

If we showed up to a BITD race with 6 trucks there would be a CLASS 3. I'm sure Casey would be stoked to bring it back provided he had entries.

[AngerIssues]

Probably! How about 10 cars then? But why wouldn't we just race the cheaper safari or sportsman class and keep our trophy/points/money separate (in the unlikely event our whole class got beat)?

Regarding your sponsor (and don't take this wrong, please)...

Would they rather see you race Laughlin and win against nobody or go to an MDR race and beat 10 other guys? Just food for thought. Nobody got too excited when I got the win at Laughlin.... against one other car.

I have no problem with newer, more exciting cars coming into our class... I think it's GREAT for competition. But when the old cars win, I don't want to hear any whining! Congrats on the championship.

By the way, for those that might want to know my thoughts... I feel that 100% of the
C3CUP money (minus documented expenses ONLY) should go right back to the racers. We could do some killer shirts and the proceeds from those would also go back into the Cup money. The "board" could audit this info.

[AngerIssues]

Please PM the guy and ask him to get in touch with the Pike family and see if they are willing to give us their thoughts. They were the ONLY regular in BITD Class 3 (once Swift was ushered out). That was BS he was even allowed to race in that class, for those that know that former "trophy truck".

[Kreg Donahoe]

Probably! How about 10 cars then? But why wouldn't we just race the cheaper safari or sportsman class and keep our trophy/points/money separate (in the unlikely event our whole class got beat)?

Regarding your sponsor (and don't take this wrong, please)...

Would they rather see you race Laughlin and win against nobody or go to an MDR race and beat 10 other guys? Just food for thought. Nobody got too excited when I got the win at Laughlin.... against one other car.

I have no problem with newer, more exciting cars coming into our class... I think it's GREAT for competition. But when the old cars win, I don't want to hear any whining! Congrats on the championship.

By the way, for those that might want to know my thoughts... I feel that 100% of the
C3CUP money (minus documented expenses ONLY) should go right back to the racers. We could do some killer shirts and the proceeds from those would also go back into the Cup money. The "board" could audit this info.

Ken, To be honest with you. Any sponsor would like you to win Laughlin by yourself then MDR with a feild of people. Laughlin is a known race. MDR is not. The consumer who buys the sponsors product didnt know how meny people were in the class and thats what matters. Look at Mike Horners 7s team. He races all year by himself.. with no other 7s in score and abvously won the championship. Do you think Maxiss would have done full page ads if he won 1450 class in MDR... NO... its sad but the public wants race wins in big venues.... Thats the facts. And it dosnt matter what class or how meny competitors a saavy marketing person can spin it to make you look like you won overall.

[Blanco]

Please PM the guy and ask him to get in touch with the Pike family and see if they are willing to give us their thoughts.

PM sent to both the Pikes Guy "OldStroppeteam" & I also PM'ed Lee Orr, Lee race's BITD. :)

[flyinbronco]

I'm not a racer yet either but plan to start a build begining of next year. My goal was just to cross a thing to do off my life to do list, but thats another thread. I was excited to read Ken's plan. I agree with Kreg that sponsors are needed and must be pleased but I still plan to run a late model Bronco. Thats just me and my dream. The prospect of running smaller races in different areas may open up some local sponsor oportunities away from so cal and las vegas. I'm behind you 100% Ken ,even if my build up plans fail but I'm pretty determined to make it happen.

[straightaxle]

I have been reading the responses and thinking about my own response. The things that Kreg talks about I think are very true, and I like what Ken is trying to put together. I am still on the fence on what to do because of sponsors. It may be true that our team should be able to race entirely on sponsors dollars, on the other hand, up until now I have had 100% control on what we do and how we do it, and have not been a slave to any sponsors. So if I am hesitant, it is because I don't completely want to lose that, but it sure would be nice to race more.

I can tell you that the BITD experience was all positive. For the most part I like the way they run their races, and the V2R course is every bit as much of a challenge as Baja. They certainly have a better TV program, IMO. I thought we were showing up to a gun fight with a flashlight in the Sportsman class, there were some full on buggies in there that should have smoked us. It turned out we got further than any other entry in the class. Casey would probably allow class 3 to run its own class, but it would have to be to the rules we have been running with, and not the class 3000 rules that they had. And the tracker they use is more expensive than the RAlly Tracker.

And Cam, you would not believe the budget that I operate on, supporting a racing operation, a house, and a family with 4 kids. Maybe that's why I do it, after having a couple of kids and being married for more than 20 years, Baja seems like a walk in the park! Bite the bullet and jump in!

Anybody racing off-road successfully will tell you, it is not so much the money that makes the team successful, it is the people that make up the team. Invest in your people!

[Blanco]

Maybe that's why I do it, after having a couple of kids and being married for more than 20 years, Baja seems like a walk in the park!

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/20.gif




Alright I'll call Rod & start pushing him to get Blanco over to Savage.
After all I already bought the Tow-Rig. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/ewg.gif

[AngerIssues]

Thanks for the feedback Kreg. At the end of the day, a C3CUP may not even be the ideal "thing" for everyone.

My goal is simple... get more racing "in"... at a cost that is more affordable, and against as many competitors as feasible out there. If you do place well, you get more money back, a great trophy, and some fantastic competition.

we shall see how this all shakes out.

[AngerIssues]

Thanks Don (or Ken),

I have raced BITD for years and agree they run a great race, but the costs are not that much cheaper than SCORE (but closer to home for most of us). What was the entry in Safari class?

Frankly, I wouldn't care which class we run in, because we would only care about competing against our own group members. I agree, though, the class 3 rules he introduced were bad for our sport.

What you didn't really say, is whether you would be interested in racing a series of races, in potentially different "venues". I realize this is particularly hard for you, given your streak of victories and record-breaking wins, etc etc etc.

I doubt we could get this together for Parker anyway (I don't think I could make it personally), but it would be nice to do this in 08, if we are going to do it.

Let's see what other feedback we get. I think in order to have a vote in the races we choose, we'd need to make sure people were serious about such a championship. This would require, in my opinion, a membership payment in C3CUP. We'd have a secretary or some person to be responsible for the money, and 100% of it would be used for the CUP purposes and year-end money, etc.

[Blanco]

I think in order to have a vote in the races we choose, we'd need to make sure people were serious about such a championship. This would require, in my opinion, a membership payment in C3CUP. We'd have a secretary or some person to be responsible for the money, and 100% of it would be used for the CUP purposes and year-end money, etc.

If this becomes a reality I'd be happy use this site as a place where all the money could be publicly posted so we would all know exactly how much is there, in a bank account I could open just for this purpuse.

[OldStroppeTeam]

I will get in touch with the Pikes and get back to y'all with an answer.. Thanks for the heads up !

Karl

[Blanco]

Thanks Karl. ;)

[straightaxle]

Thanks Don (or Ken),

I have raced BITD for years and agree they run a great race, but the costs are not that much cheaper than SCORE (but closer to home for most of us). What was the entry in Safari class?


Crew chief Dave Grundman was th driver of record and paid the fees, so I am not sure what it cost. I seem to recall that it was about $750. The biggest attraction to the Safari class on a one race deal was it did not require the cost of the tracker device. If we don't go to a Pro class, I am not sure it will fit Kreg's purposes.

[Tazz]

If we don't go to a Pro class, I am not sure it will fit Kreg's purposes.

For differing reasons and maybe some of the same, if it is not a pro class, it wouldn't work for our setup either. Only a pro class will work for the money loss and for most of the entities supporting us. I keep watching this thread and could be interested depending on the direction it takes.

[BajaBronco13]

If this becomes a reality I'd be happy use this site as a place where all the money could be publicly posted so we would all know exactly how much is there, in a bank account I could open just for this purpuse.

Are you kidding Cam? That money would be gone and Blanco will be all pimped out at Fantelli's, LOL.

[Blanco]

Are you kidding Cam? That money would be gone and Blanco will be all pimped out at Fantelli's, LOL.

:rolleyes: Riiggghhhht!

The point was, that doing it publically it would all be accounted for & I would go to JAIL if anything happened to the money.

Other wise how would we actually know how much has been put into the fund. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

It was just an idea in attempts to help.

[BajaBronco13]

:rolleyes: Riiggghhhht!

The point was, that doing it publically it would all be accounted for & I would go to JAIL if anything happened to the money.

Other wise how would we actually know how much has been put into the fund. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

It was just an idea in attempts to help.

Take it easier there partner. It was just a joke. Geesh.

[Blanco]

Take it easier there partner. It was just a joke. Geesh.

I figured you were probably joking, but it gave me an oppertunity to explain the thought behind my offer.

[BobBower]

Thanks Don (or Ken),


Let's see what other feedback we get. I think in order to have a vote in the races we choose, we'd need to make sure people were serious about such a championship. This would require, in my opinion, a membership payment in C3CUP. We'd have a secretary or some person to be responsible for the money, and 100% of it would be used for the CUP purposes and year-end money, etc.

My $.02?... As many here have agreed, there are as many different reasons for racing as there are racers. One reason all have in common is it's fun.
For the racer it's competition.

For the sponsor it's a business investment looking for a return.

For the promoter it's gross sales.

For the Pits/Chasers it's the excitment of being involved and being able to do something to help get the race car a good result.

For the media or the fan who might see it on TV, or goes to the desert to watch it, it's entertainment.

All in all... it works because most everybody involved gets most of what they want out of their involvement.

The hard part is to bring an idea like Ken has offered to reality. I applaud him for it. Over the years similar efforts have been put forth, and every now and then it clicks. The process of getting there has been referred to as "Herding Cats".

As for me? Well, I'm in favor of anything that gets more people racing. If Ken's idea get's one more person to jump in and join the mess we call desert racing, bring it on. Shoot, I'm just a ride whore who doesn't have enough sense to say No to a good right seat.

Keep at it Ken. If it succeeds you've helped the sport and created more good times for everyone. If it doesn't make it, well, it will probably be because of those pesky cats! :D

[Blanco]

Hey Bob, You know me.
Not well, but you do know who I am. :o

If I get it past Savage, are you saying you'll Co-Dog for me? http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/spaz_smilie.gif

[AngerIssues]

thanks for the encouragement Bob!

I realize that everyone does have their own agenda, as you have said.

I think that perhaps the right thing to do in 08 is to perhaps start modest, make the "membership" affordable, and get how ever many racers I can to jump in and vote. Knowing that they are doing the Mint 400 in Snore is a GREAT idea... and I like the thought of at least one Score race (but I'm willing to (potentially) walk away from the championship to have more (affordable) fun racing. I realize why this may NOT work for Kreg and potentially Moss. Hell, if I had that many wins and/or a sponsor on board I guess I wouldn't even worry about this subject.

I'd like to see some EB guys, and Pike chime in... as well as whomever bought those Kias.

Maybe a three or four race series, with modest entries and membership for this year to see how it goes. never hurts to try!!

Two of my FUNNEST races, due to the relaxed atmosphere and involvement of friends and family, were a Snore race (Caliente, NV) and a BORE race (Jackpot, NV).

still waiting for more feedback.

ken

[Blanco]

as well as whomever bought those Kias.

Thats Vista Racing & I just sent them the PM. :cool:

[chupakabras]

i haven't post any response, till now, but just to say that i agree with all of you guys, we are doing our best to be able to get our truck thru the border, and one of these days be able to race on you terrain, and count with us for any help that you might need on this side of the border, ..

hey ken, why don't you came up with this idea early, we could have had a metting at the b1k, right?, just kidding. see yah then.....:)

[vistaracing1]

the kia's will run next year in smaller local series. we are open to running anywhere - its about the competition. not to underestimate anyone but sal has more clout/organizational experience in one finger than probably any of us. although i applaud your idea and would probably participate(in racing) you folks must have alot of time on your hands to want to race plus organize! between family, job, cars, life - i cant even successfully check my mail! congrats to moss / kreig for their baja success, i saw both in cars in cabo and know it was alot of work! local races are fun but baja is the big prize that everybody wants.

[Blanco]

:o Uhmmmm...... I have no family or friends.

So why not spend my time in a constructive effort. :)

[AngerIssues]

Quick response regarding the "money loss". My point is that the promoters take the vast majority of our entry fee.

In this case, our "side purse" would be 100% given back the racers (minus whatever documented expenses we had, like trophies, flyers, etc).

I'd rather spend 400 racing sportsman in SNORE, knowing that if I win the C3R "race", I'm going to get back 1500, or 2000, or whatever. For those that follow SCORE, Sal only pays back 50% of the portion that he call the "entry fee". This comes AFTER the insurance, land use fees, year-end points etc. It works out to about 50% of 500 in a 2000 dollar race.

I hope I'm explaining this correctly, we'd only be racing sportsman so that we could compete against eachother for lower ENTRY fees, not lower potential earnings.

[AngerIssues]

thanks for the input, Vista racing. Perhaps you could give us more details. What local series are you speaking of? Do you have anything lined up to race "for sure".

Because so many people are on the fence... I'm thinking of perhaps just trying THREE races for the Innagural Class 3 Cup, and promote the hell out of these three races hoping to get you guys, perhaps a few of the SCORE regulars, a few early broncos, etc? Perhaps I could line up a corporate sponsor to kick in a 1000 bucks or so.

The Mint thing really excites me (SNORE puts on a great race). Vegas to Reno runs fairly close to home for most of us... I truly love the idea of racing in Sonora (I used to be Rocky Point regular, but I hear it's changed).

Anyway, maybe we just keep it small this year and see how it goes?

Maybe 200 bucks to join, and 200 bucks to enter any of the 3 (or 4) C3R cup races, with ALL money going back to the racers (1st = 60%, 2nd = 30%, and 3rd = 10%).

Something like that?

How about it you weanies... Who would commit to racing The Mint race at the end of March? they are limiting this race to 325 entries! Come be part of history (again!). Hell, as far as I'm concerned, we could make this is a ONE-TIME Class 3 Cup challenge. It's two weeks after the Baja 250, so bring your cars home safe (or skip the race), and come race in Nevada!

don't just sit there guys (Raffo, Pike, etc). Say SOMETHING.

ken

[Grimm]

I would love to race a class 3 series. We are planning on running Vegas to Reno anyway. Throw in two or three more races and some reasonable entry fees and we're in as soon as the truck is done.

[AngerIssues]

Tentative Class 3 Cup Schedule for 08:

Think you can make March for the Mint? (SNORE Heavy Metal)
Then the Vegas to Reno in August? (Safari class?)


How about an MDR, BORE, or CODE race later in the year.

I'd be up for 4 total. Again, I'd love to see people "commit" to this and put their money where their mouth is... then the "members" could VOTE on which races they would like to see.

We could "ink" those two and let the "members" decide on 1 more, 2 more, and which ones!

thanks for the reply (can I have that motor, and you can have mine?)

:o)

[Grimm]

We won't be ready to race till Sept. probably.(delays, delays, delays)Trying to hit up Primm for our first race but it really doesn't matter to us. We just want to get out there.
If i gave you the motor, we'd be delayed even more. ha :)

[wiley-moeracing]

Hi guys,just got signed up,finally a site just for us! We are wiley-moe racing and run a a full size jeep cherokee and have been class champions in 2005 in our series,(looking forward to taking on the moss's),we are in the november issue of jp magazine. Love the idea of series for us,all great ideas I have read, piggybacking with a established organization is the only way to go(like jeepspeed),as the cost of going it alone is prohibitive, dont forget the permits,local and federal approval and the enviromental garbage involved, plus insurance too! There is a racing series running down there called pro-desert and run trucks and buggies only and on some of the old whiplash tracks plus some newer tracks,Rocky pointe has changed quit a bit and is a safer place than the baja to and the most of the locals and the goverment are happy to have us. Lots of nice places to stay too.Please let us know what we can do to help. Thanks for letting us play with you ford guys... Ha Ha!

[AngerIssues]

Welcome welcome welcome!! thanks for the encouragement! I'll be in touch regarding the cup. Did you race in the last year in something resembling class 3???

ken

[wiley-moeracing]

Hello again,I will try to post a thread with our details shortly,hang with me as this computer stuff is new to me.I just finished building my house here and to keep the peace with my better half, I have taking care of the honey do's. We did pull the truck out of moth balls for a local whiplash race in april, a short course race, it was a lot of fun but did not do any prep to the truck. We dumped some race fuel in and ran in a 1450 class just for fun.We were doing great until the last lap and blew the head gaskets,should have looked it over I guess, but what the heck I built the motor to run for one season and it went two and a half.I will start on the new motor shortly,a lot lower compression motor to be able to run on pump gas instead(a lot cheaper to run and easier to find in baja)

[AngerIssues]

hmm... head gasket eh? Read John Maine's update about his jeep run in the 1000. Same problem. Again, welcome aboard!

[toddz69]

hmm... head gasket eh? Read John Maine's update about his jeep run in the 1000. Same problem. Again, welcome aboard!

Speaking of the Class 3 Cup, you have a nice little writeup in the latest issue of Bronco Driver magazine!

Todd Z.

[AngerIssues]

Thanks! I will look for it. Is it in newstands yet?

[toddz69]

Thanks! I will look for it. Is it in newstands yet?

Probably not yet.

Todd Z.

[wiley-moeracing]

trying to find info on maines jeep at the 1000. If you could point me in the right direction I would be thankful

[Moss2]

trying to find info on maines jeep at the 1000. If you could point me in the right direction I would be thankful

Here is their website: http://www.jtrracing.com/
Hope to see them racing again. Seems like a good group of people.

[wiley-moeracing]

Just read the story, all to familiar but a great story