Personal Safety gear

[Blanco]

Lets talk about race suits & helmets & what ever else a racer should have on his person during a race.

Whats the rule with helmets?
I know you should get one wired for the radio & talk between the driver & co-driver.
& how does that work?

How do you & your co-driver talk without it being broadcasted on the radio to the team?
Can you talk to each other while still monitoring the chase/pit crew?

& you should get one plumbed for a Parker pumper.

& what about suits?
I've heard theres different layer counts & Or seconds or whatever that you can burn before your toast?

& I've read that race shoes suck if you have to hike in the desert from a busted up racer.
I know Raffo wears race shoes.
Whats the advantage?
Do most of you actually wear hiking boots?

What about Gloves?
Race gloves?
mechanic gloves?
what do you like & why?

What about under clothing
Such as socks & underwear?
must you wear fire resistant?
or it your personal judgement?

Do any of you wear kidney belts?
or neck braces?

& might any of you start using those ( I think they're called ) de-celarators?
that new thing that keeps your head in place?

& what else might you keep on you?

Medical info?
Is there a common place on your body for that?
because if your unconsiouse they need to know where to look for your info.

[offroadaction]

Being that I have not raced desert in at least 10 years and most of the stuff we do here is short course, my answers may vary from other people...but I think most of them will be fairly close.

Radios: I am a little bit out of date on these....

Parker Pumper: A definate yes! I find that it helps keep my lense and glasses from fogging up as well as providing some fresh air. It does not have to be Parker...there is a lot of good brands out there...I think Mr. Raffo might have a line on them.... :)

Helmets: You get what you pay for...questions for the other guys...how heavy are most of your helmets? How does this affect you in longer races? More fatigue? Also, what colour sheilds does everyone run? I have found the gold or bronze ones to work out well. Has anyone seen the new ones that adjust the tint according to how much sun or cloud there is? I am not sure of the cost, but that would be the way to go.

Race Suits: I have to get a new one this year too...I am probably going to a twin layer...I do not have to worry about the heat after 4 hours like you guys do. Our races are like 20 minutes, tops. I am just scared of getting burned one day...We are only allowed one piece suits, I am not sure about other promotors. Boots are decently priced now...they are half of what they were when they first came out and they are very comfortable...very worth it. Plus they are usually a lot lighter than boots.

Gloves: Personal choice...I have worn mechanics in the past, but will probabl pick up a set of race gloves when I get my suit...it all depends on how they feel.

Underclothing: I usually wear normal stuff that does not have holes...which can be tough sometimes....:)

I wear a kidney belt, but find a neck brace annoying, although it does work. I may look at a Hans device in the next few years. Our overall point champion was given one at the end of this year by the company manufacturing them. We will have to see how he likes it. After watching Cenni, Marking and other boys crash hard in CORR this year, I am seriously looking at them. Problem is, a lot of our vehicles run 2 seats up here...that is 2 grand...but safety should come first.

[retroblazer]

Just a note on shoes. Regular leather boots are more than adaquate. I happen to like my race shoes and have not found that they are a hinderence in the desert. I like the fact they are a little more flexible and given my relatively cramped driving position, they help. Besides, where else could I wear blue suede shoes?

[chupakabras]

when it comes to radio, well, in our 9 years of racing we always have had a radio, but not an intercom, the intercom is the device that will let you communicate with your co driver and if it's connected to the radio will let you communicate to your crew, how does it work, the intercom itself is wired to your helmets, it's a duplex system, you can talk and hear at the same time, like a phone, no need to have a push to talk button , the push to talk button is to communicate to the outside, to your crew or what ever the channel the radio is on, some intercom systems have a switch that moves from intercom to radio, when racing you are able to talk and hear and no one else is hearing you, not unless you press the push to talk... as i said, finally we have an intercom system, we tested the system a couple of weeks ago, and it's awsome, i couldn't believe we never had one, we always ran and communicate via hand signals, the problem was at night, you are running alone, ..

for full face helmets you really need the air pump, or your head will fry in a minute,.

for the race suit, bought the one that you can afford,

if you can put ever available data on you helmet, name, allergies, blood type, etc etc,..

hicking boots or running shoes,

and definetely at least mechanix gloves, you don't wanna race without gloves, believe me, i've done that, once and only time.

[AngerIssues]

I CANNOT believe you ran without an intercom! wow. They aren't that much $. Go see PCI. Mine plugs right in where the "mic" goes. Yes, you can talk to eachother without pushing any buttons. Just ask him/her not to COUGH or yell "YEE-HAAAWWW" everytime you hit a jump. Too funny, but believe me, it happens. Too speak to the pit, you do have to hit YOUR button.

Helmets: Make sure it's wired for the company you are running. My personal experience is to stick with PCI - I've used them for radio, GPS, intercom, and even helmet purchase once before. If something doesn't work, at least it's all ONE source to go to... and they've been good to me (not the cheapest, but very good). OH, the more you spend, the lighter the helmet, normally. Buy the best you can afford. We tend to be on the lower end of the $cale, but we are dumb and immune to pain.

Suits: Agreed - buy the best you can afford. I have a cheap one. With all the alcohol as I have in my system, I will just burst into flames anyway, and a suit won't matter! :eek:

I wear a t-shirt underneath, so I can peel off the top while walking back to the pits (ha ha). :cool: Underwear or shorts on the bottoms.

I only wear cheap leather boots. In mexico everything is either poisenous, has thorrns, bites, or all three.

Gloves: mandatory. I just use mechanix-style, and have ruined many pairs with oil, tranny fluid, brake fluid, etc. ALL from other people's cars, of course!

Guess that is it. I don't even know my own blood type - how scary is that.

[offroadaction]

In reards to the suits, I agree, but the best that you can afford. Leaf Racewear just happened to give everyone that attended our year end banquet 15% off coupons, so that helps out!

In regards to the boots and shoes, the shoes i own just happen to be very comfortable and not as heavy & big as my work boots, so that is why I keep using them.

[Blanco]

With all the alcohol as I have in my system, I will just burst into flames anyway, and a suit won't matter!
http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/20.gif

So how much should one expect to spend on the suit & helmet & intercom?

I know you guys said buy the best you can afford, But whats average for the good stuff?

[OldStroppeTeam]

Hey guys remember what we are wearing the protection from.mainly FIRE. I wear Nomex /leather racing gloves in the car and have a pair of mechanics gloves when I have to work on it. If mechanics gloves get near fire they are fuel, not protection for your hands. As to under the suit, more layers equal more protection. I wear 100% cotton long sleeve shirt and nomex bottoms. Again, synthetics will melt when exposed to a lot of heat, when they melt , they stick....to your skin.... just some food for thought...
Intercoms are the best !!! How else can you tell each other scary stories in Baja at 2 in the morning ?

[straightaxle]

I echo the issues about protection from fire. The injuries from fire are far and above the most painful and longest to recover from. I haven't had any, and would like to keep it that way. The build of your vehicle needs to revolve around that as well, not just the design of your cage.

Single piece suits are required. There are still some local circle tracks that allow two piece suits. Crazy. Minimum of single layer,but the more layers, the more protection. I recommend the suits made of Nomex. You can get cheaper ones made of Pro-ban, which is just treated cotton, but I have heard it can wash off over time. Nomex single layer suits can be had for about $150.

I use fire rated racing gloves, and stash some regular leather work gloves if I have to get out and work on something. I like the feel of the thinner race glove palm material, and they are reasonably priced, around $40, and will last for a couple of seasons.

Make sure you get an SA rated helmet, and a 2005 date if you buy new. On the other hand if you are going to race anywhere except SCORE, you can still use an older M helmet, and there should be some good used ones for sale out there. (I have one) New prices for wired helmets start at $350 and go up from there. There are many outfits selling wired helmets, but not are all wired the same, and use different components. Talk to Rugged Race Products, they build PCI equivalent helmets. I recommend that you try on the model and size helmet BEFORE you buy it. It needs to fit and be comfortable for all the hours your head will be stuck in the thing.

We got by without a pumper OK in Mexico in the early years, but found there was no way in the world you could survive without one on a loop race like Laughlin. You can't wipe the inside and outside of the shield fast enough.

An intercom is a huge item that makes it better for all the reasons mentioned. Like Ken says, there is nothing more distracting than the co-dawg coughing or yelling "Oh S***" at random times. I am about to find out what a new system costs, and will have some used ones for sale. They do have to be wired to go with your radio, and the helmets must match the intercom wiring as well. With all the helmets we have, there are some that work fine with the system and some that the guys have to wear ear plugs to keep the speakers from blowing out your ears.

[Blanco]

are there any issues wiring the helmets to an ICOM?

[OldStroppeTeam]

There shouldn't be, you just need the intercom system that is compatible with your helmet wiring. Any of the radio/intercom vendors can wire your existing radio to an intercom system. As was mentioned eariler, the intercom system and the helmet speakers and mikes need to be compatible.

[11wnb]

Blanco, check out www.UPR.com, they are having a sale on race suits. I don't know what those of you that race pay for them, but I saw one in there for less than $200.00. Hope this helps.

[Rocketman]

http://www.moleculelabs.com/

here is a product that a friend pointed out to me,he thought this would be a must do in a front engine racer.I watched the dvd and it is pretty convincing looks like a good additional safety cusion in the event of a fire.. my .02

[Blanco]

I've been thinking I'm gonna start looking around for some race gloves or mechnics gloves or what would be some thing I would use during a race & then start driving my work truck & DD's with them on just to get use to it.
But I know I'll look like dork driving around town with racing gloves on. :rolleyes:

& thanks for the link 11wnb
But I personally dont think I'll buy a race suit on line though.
Just like all the rest of my clothing, I wanna try it on 1st.
Deist is like 5 minutes from my house, so I'll probably get a suit from them.

EDIT! :eek: WHOLY CRAP! racing gloves are expensive! http://www.deist.com/Catalog.asp?category=506201219171276

What do you guys think about these suits?
http://www.deist.com/catalog.asp?category=411161944141292

& are two piece suits an option?
I think I remember being told rules require a one pice suit?

[BajaBronco13]

Hey Cam,

Check out DJ Safety. They are in our neck of the woods off the 2 Freeway and San Fernando Road: http://www.djsafety.com/Firesuits.html

I am planning on going with DJ's fire suit and Oakley's race boots, gloves and Nomex underwear gear since my buddy's wife works for Oakley and she's my connection.

http://www.saferacer.com/fresh-air-systems-racer-series-cool-suit-system.html?productid=344 Check out this crazy set up. I guess these would be ideal for those hot @$$ Vegas race days.

Chris

[BajaBronco13]

Another good site for safety equipment:

http://www.saferacer.com/

[BobBower]

As to under the suit, more layers equal more protection. I wear 100% cotton long sleeve shirt and nomex bottoms. Again, synthetics will melt when exposed to a lot of heat, when they melt , they stick....to your skin.... just some food for thought...
Intercoms are the best !!! How else can you tell each other scary stories in Baja at 2 in the morning ?

About suits and layers. Of course fire protection is the primary factor to think about. But over the years I have become a fan of 3 layer suits. Aside from the obvious extra protection from fire one hopes to expect, I find that they allow you to be cooler in the extreme heat, and warmer in the extreme cold. The Nevada desert was pretty toasty this year during the Vegas To Reno race. I use the drinker water to wet the arms of my suit when I want to cool down a bit. The wind coming in the cockpit can be well over 100 degrees, but those layers absorb the water and cool happens. I was down right comfy for the first 10 hours.

Then, when it got a little cooler outside, like at 7,000 ft above Redlick, those extra layers were protection from the cold. Turns out I was comfy inside those layers right up to dawn when we crossed the finish line.

I wear a cotton t-shirt and skivies under the suit.

My $.02

[straightaxle]

We all do what we have to to get by with the extreme cold or heat that we experience in these races, and most of these measures do not contribute to the fire safety.

A word of warning about fire and liquids on race suits: Grease and oil will burn, regardless of what kind of material they are on. Water will turn to steam.

The multilayer suits don't seem to be any hotter to wear than the single, according to the guys on the team that have worn both. And without the windshield, you have a pretty good air flow, certainly better than the guys sitting in the pits. Another reason for not having a windshield?

And as far as race gloves, Blanco, you aren't driving a top fuel dragster! There are race gloves out there for under $40.

[Blanco]

as far as race gloves, Blanco, you aren't driving a top fuel dragster! There are race gloves out there for under $40.

besides the price & Dont think I'd like gloves that go that far up my arm..
I'll just start looking around for a nice fitting set that will still allow me to feel.

I think Mechanic gloves might just melt to your hand.

Is leather any better for that? ( less likely to melt to your skin? )

How about your basic leather driving gloves?

I know these would be comfy.
http://images.onlygloves.com/mgen/digimarc.ms?img=master:LTH009.jpg&h=300&w=300

[Rocketman]

I usually wear a set of MX riding gloves or the light weight nomex gloves...

[retroblazer]

Get a decent set. They don't cost that much. I ran a set of Carbon X from Ringers for the 1000 and they were bitchen. www.philsinc.com has them. They are a race glove, not a mech. glove. Besides who wants to spank the monkey with a burned nub.

[BobBower]

We all do what we have to to get by with the extreme cold or heat that we experience in these races, and most of these measures do not contribute to the fire safety.

A word of warning about fire and liquids on race suits: Grease and oil will burn, regardless of what kind of material they are on. Water will turn to steam.

The multilayer suits don't seem to be any hotter to wear than the single, according to the guys on the team that have worn both. And without the windshield, you have a pretty good air flow, certainly better than the guys sitting in the pits. Another reason for not having a windshield?


I completely agree with you. Personal comfort and fire safety always seem to be a compromise choice where we trick ourselves into pretending we are ahead of the risk/reward curve. Sometimes when somebody wishes me "Good Luck" before the green flag I think to myself just how much luck I'm flirting with when the flag drops. Part of the "It won't happen to me" syndrome I'd say. I'm just as guilty of it as one can be.

There have been times when the reality has come to roost. Luck was good to me. But, it is luck and nothing more. Flames are not your friend. I've seen enough flames in the last couple of seasons to satisfy any curiosities I might have had. Luck.

There is a difference between personal safety gear and personal comfort gear. Both are good investments. Safety comes with a larger investment, but worth every nickel. The comfort gear is a "nice to have". Not so for the safety gear. That is a "must have".

[OldStroppeTeam]

Pure leather gloves will shrink BADLY when subjected to fire. When they shrink like that they crush stuff, like bones etc. Most nomex driving gloves have leather palms and thumbs only for abrasion protection, the rest of the glove is fabric. As for them extending up your arm, that's what they are made for, to protect the area your driving suit doesn't, namely your wrist and hand. Once you start racing, you won't even notice they are that long !
I had the same issue when we went to the new (longer) style firefighting gloves. I got used to them though , because that's what keeps me from getting burned !!

Try different types, you'll find one you like.

[chuck]

lI designed a hemet A/C system for our racer. Filtered A/C in your face is very nice when it is hot out.

[flyinbronco]

What do you guys think of this helmet. Looks like a good deal.:confused:

http://www.upr.com/M2-FA-Off-Road-Racing-Helmet-Wired-p513.html

[retroblazer]

I've used M-2's before and they are good helmets. Another offering that is similar is the G-Force forced air. The G-Force has a better sealing eye-port. So which ever helmet fits the best. If you ever need the helmet modified, I'll stop by on my out to my parents ranch in Gustine.

[straightaxle]

I've used M-2's before and they are good helmets. Another offering that is similar is the G-Force forced air. The G-Force has a better sealing eye-port. So which ever helmet fits the best. .

Important advice! Make sure it fits and is comfortable, which means you have to have the thing in your hands. There are wild differences in the way the different mfg helmets fit, sizing, etc. It is hard to concentrate on the driving when your skull feels like it is in a vise.

The eye-port sealing is also important. We have a pumper system, which provides a positive pressure in the helmet. Even with this, when we went through the deep silt at the 1000, and the river of stuff came up over the hood and into the cab, some of the silt got through the top of the eye-port seal and sprinkled down into my eyes. I thought the seal was pretty good, but apparently not perfect.

There are also some issues in the way the air flows through the helmets. I had one helmet that would dry out my left eye really bad from the air flow directed right at it. Unfortunately there is no way to check this and know what's going to happen without testing the thing in a long race. There are some new helmets that have the air inlet at the top, that are supposed to distribute the air better. This would not work well in our truck, the top of the cage and the roof are too close to the helmets.

I think the weight of the helmet was also mentioned already. Seems that the more they cost, the lighter they get. If you don't exercise your neck ahead of time and have a heavy helmet, you will likely have a sore neck.

[Blanco]

As I sit here looking at various race suits I wonder how many of you experienced racers have actually had to deal with a fire that entered the cab & where your suit actually got to do its job against it?

[retroblazer]

I have been lucky enough not to have experienced a fire directly. There have been very few instances of fire in our sport. Now I can say my Blazer in the Baja 2000, exploded into flames and the occupants were lucky to get out without getting burned.

[BajaBronco13]

Are any of you guys running the Hans device?

CP

[Blanco]

Are any of you guys running the Hans device?

CP

What is this Hans device? :confused:

[fj40]

Stands for Head And Neck, it´s a restraining devise that attachés from your back and shoulders to your helmet, to stop fast deceleration of your head and protection against neck injury.

[flyinbronco]

What is this Hans device? :confused:

You know the thing Dale Earnhart should have been wearing when he hit the wall at Daytona for the last time.

[Blanco]

You know the thing Dale Earnhart should have been wearing when he hit the wall at Daytona for the last time.

Also what would of saved that guy in the Class 1 buggy at this past Primm race.

[Blanco]

Ok so I'm looking at helmets..

& am considering one of these two..


http://www.pciraceradios.com/product_images/1329hr.jpg
http://www.pciraceradios.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=4651468750111803905

OR.

http://www.pciraceradios.com/product_images/1123hr.jpg
http://www.pciraceradios.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=4100471935882658049

I'm wondering what you guys might know from experience wearing them what you think?

[Moss2]

I have the HJC from PCI and I like the way it fits and functions. ( I did have to take it apart and fix the polarity of the wiring when I got it though, Thanks PCI for testing it before shipping!) When it is apart it looks pretty cheaply built compared to my old Simpson Sidewinder. They have different thicknesses of cheek pads if the standards dont fit you. The shield seals better than my Simpson but is a little hard to open with gloves on.

[Blanco]

I like the fact that it has a nomex interior & its removable for washing.
Nothing worse than putting on a Stinky helmet.

[flyinbronco]

If the PCI trailer is in Laughlin do they have helmets of various sizes with them so a guy can try them on?

[fj40]

Ok so I'm looking at helmets..

& am considering one of these two..


http://www.pciraceradios.com/product_images/1329hr.jpg
http://www.pciraceradios.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=4651468750111803905

OR.

http://www.pciraceradios.com/product_images/1123hr.jpg
http://www.pciraceradios.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=4100471935882658049

I'm wondering what you guys might know from experience wearing them what you think?

Only problem we had with the HJC´s is the angle where the velcro sits in the back of the helmet, left one over the heat vents of the hood, the silicon adhesive that holds the velcro strap run and we had to replace it, easy job do.

[BajaBronco13]

While I wouldn't call this personal safety..... maybe personal comfort but does anyone have experience with one of these?

http://www.pciraceradios.com/ProductDetail.jsp?LISTID=3739736551072891137

If not for a race, this would be awesome to use at a concert, ha ha ha

[Blanco]

this would be awesome to use at a concert, ha ha ha

Remind me not to go to any concerts with you. :rolleyes:

[BajaBronco13]

Good thinking Cam. I have a blatter like a 90 year old man.

Anyway back on track, seriously, has anyone used one of these? Is it worth giving it a try? Hey Chris Raffo didn't you use one in the 500?

CP

[AngerIssues]

Good thinking Cam. I have a blatter like a 90 year old man.

Anyway back on track, seriously, has anyone used one of these? Is it worth giving it a try? Hey Chris Raffo didn't you use one in the 500?

CP

They are a lot of fun. Sometimes I wear one around town just so I can pee wherever I want without being noticed. Often, I'll go to the monkey bars at the local school and climb to the top... well - you get the picture!

Ok, seriously, they really are great and practically mandatory for longer races. It's still tough to relax enough in the seat to "go", but when you gotta go, at least you have that option. IMO it's better than stopping and wasting time with seat-belts, etc.

Careful though, about stepping on the other end while walking around staging...and if it's not on right, you will have the water-weanie affect when it pops off in your pants!!! :D

[Blanco]

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[retroblazer]

Add one more factor. How much does the shield cost to replace and how long has a given style been around? I would still tell you to check out the G-Force set-up.

[Blanco]

I've been told about how PCI will be very helpful if its one you bought from them & not so if you bought it else where?

I'm just thinking about the future.

Chris , do you have any experience with either of the two helmets I posted? :confused:

I hope to buy my helmet this month.

[retroblazer]

yes, the pyrotech

[Blanco]

yes, the pyrotech

&????? :confused:

[retroblazer]

It's good. A little heavy and like most, mediocre air flow. The flow can be modified and the eyeport seal is decent. Again, I'd rank the Gforce higher on all counts.

[Blanco]

How much is the G-Force?
& might you have a link??

[Salttoy]

I have a G-Force and love it. It has great air flow and you can adjust where you want the air flow in the helmet. I got mine at RacerX a few years ago wired for a radio for around $400.

[Blanco]

I found a shop in Van Nuys that is a dealer for G-Force I guess I'll go check them out on my next day off. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

[Blanco]

I just got of the phone with this shop in Van Nuys & he says the helmet do not come wired & that when you wire them your breaking the snell regulations?

Technically the helmet becomes illegal at that point..
& they ( the shop in Van Nuys ) & many others dont wire helmets because its a liabilty issue? :confused:

What I've read about the G-Force I think I like, But now who sells them already wired ready to go?

Unwired, it cost around $329.00

[straightaxle]

What I've read about the G-Force I think I like, But now who sells them already wired ready to go?




Read again, two posts above, #51 in fact.

And what does PCI do for others that have purchased from them? They do come out to the races with a pretty good stock of stuff, but its the same price as in the store and on their website. Would probably let you try on a helmet, which I highly recommend before buying. I have a stack of reciepts from PCI over the years, checked their box on the contingency sheet, but never seen any overwhelming love from them.

[Blanco]

Post #51 did not have a link, & when I did a google search for Racer X I got the Cartoon Guy Speed racers brother racer x & a Metal band I use to listen years ago... :rolleyes:

I've seen their site before, But dont know how to find it..

Either way any shop thats close to me & sells them so I can go try them on would be helpfull thanks.

I dont know or personally care for PCI & their pushing of their products or the way they talk down others...

Its just that one of you racers in Class 3 told me they always treated him right. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[Salttoy]

Here is the link, you didn't try very hard!!!!!!
http://www.racerxms.com/gforce_5406.html

[Blanco]

Thanks.. :cool:

EDIT: I just got off the phone with them & they want about $459.00 & $11.00 shipping all wired & ready to go.
But since their in SanTee, I'm not driving down there.

I figure I'll visit that Van Nuys store & try on the G-Force there & then I'll know what size to order from Racer-X. :)
Thanks for helping me pick the coolest helmet.
I do tend to sweat easily & since the G-Force seems to flow the best, thats the one I want.

[flyinbronco]

Post #51 did not have a link, & when I did a google search for Racer X I got the Cartoon Guy Speed racers brother racer x & a Metal band I use to listen years ago... :rolleyes:

I've seen their site before, But dont know how to find it..

Either way any shop thats close to me & sells them so I can go try them on would be helpfull thanks.

I dont know or personally care for PCI & their pushing of their products or the way they talk down others...

Its just that one of you racers in Class 3 told me they always treated him right. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

The one and only reason I shop at PCI is because of Bob the weatherman and what he does to support the Baja races. I know their a little expensive sometimes but he makes a big contribution to the races. You gota love em for that.

[retroblazer]

Whatever dumb _ _ _ suggested that wiring a helmet would void the Snell rating was smoking crack. As a service to you for running this website, I will personally convert a standard helmet for air and wire it, with you providing the mike kit, for free.:eek:

[Blanco]

I appreciate the offer Chris...
But when would I see you?

I did'nt ask what the kit cost.
I can call them back tomorrow & see if its worth shipping it all to you & having you ship it back. :)

So are you saying you wired your own helmets your self?

[retroblazer]

I appreciate the offer Chris...
But when would I see you?

I did'nt ask what the kit cost.
I can call them back tomorrow & see if its worth shipping it all to you & having you ship it back. :)

So are you saying you wired your own helmets your self?

Fun facts. I had 38 of 43 starters in the 1992 Daytona 500 Winston Cup race in helmets that I converted. Half of those had their radio kits installed by me.

[Blanco]

:eek: Wow!
I had no clue.

Like I said I will call again about what all the parts cost me..

Unless you have a connection?

I could always try on the helmet & send you a check for all the cost. :D

[AngerIssues]

Its just that one of you racers in Class 3 told me they always treated him right. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif


I think we all know that Bob can be a bit grumpy at times, and frankly I resisted buying things from them initially. However, their intercom is simple and works great, they do show up at the races with stuff when you need it, Bob truly performs a God-like service at the races, Rhianna (spelling?) is hot (and nice), Scott returns at least some (if not all) of the profits to TT racing, they mark the course and admittedly "sell" the PCI file (argh), but if you don't want it, you don't have to buy it (and he is a nice guy).

When I've had some radio issues in the past they were very helpful, probably because I'd bought a bunch stuff from them over the years.

just my two cents!

[Blanco]

Does Color make much difference in a race suit?

I went to a shop today to try on helmets & of course he had no large or extra large in stock for me to try out. :rolleyes:

But then I learned how G-Force also makes suits & everything else.

& I also learned about how I can order my Helmet in different Colors..
So I started thinking I prefer the looks of Black over white ( even though my Screen name is Blanco :o )

But that got me wondering?
In the heat of the desert during a race, does black or white really make much of a difference when it comes to helmet color?
I figure black would cook your head more if in direct sunlight..
Does it?

I'm figuring if I can buy a Black suit it will stay lookig cleaner longer than a lighter colored one...
& it would look better if my helmet & suit Matched. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

So does color really make much of a difference in the temps your body will experience? :confused:

& what do you guys think about G-Force suits? ( Nomex only! I wont buy anything else. )

[BobBower]

Does Color make much difference in a race suit?

I went to a shop today to try on helmets & of course he had no large or extra large in stock for me to try out. :rolleyes:

But then I learned how G-Force also makes suits & everything else.

& I also learned about how I can order my Helmet in different Colors..
So I started thinking I prefer the looks of Black over white ( even though my Screen name is Blanco :o )

But that got me wondering?
In the heat of the desert during a race, does black or white really make much of a difference when it comes to helmet color?
I figure black would cook your head more if in direct sunlight..
Does it?

I'm figuring if I can buy a Black suit it will stay lookig cleaner longer than a lighter colored one...
& it would look better if my helmet & suit Matched. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

So does color really make much of a difference in the temps your body will experience? :confused:

& what do you guys think about G-Force suits? ( Nomex only! I wont buy anything else. )

My $.02...
Helmet color: my choice is white. I don't think there would be much difference in comfort or temperatures experienced with black, but white lets you put your name or whatever on it with ease. Stickers.

Suit Color: No matter the color, it will get real dirty real quick. Stains will be harder to see on black, but that's about it. Think about layers and make a choice there first. Then think about color. Make sure the suit has a zipper on the top AND the bottom. Real convienient when the time comes.

I don't know anything about G-Force suits, but I recommend you try them on before you buy. Rack suits can fit well, or fit goofy. I've experienced some rack sized suits that make me look more like a character from Star Wars than someone who belongs in a race car.

Helmet and suit color matching: Of course attention to detail here will guarentee the chicks will love it and will swarm all over you! ;)

[retroblazer]

White helmet, anything but white suit. For female attraction, safety pin large bills to the exterior of the suit.

[Blanco]

Helmet color: my choice is white. I don't think there would be much difference in comfort or temperatures experienced with black, but white lets you put your name or whatever on it with ease. Stickers.
Well as for Info Stickers, since you brought that up I'll have my friend make me up a Small sticker ( no matter what color the helmet ) to place on the back of the helmet with important info.
Now as to that Info....
what should I put?
Blood Type, Alergies, & what else?
next of Kin? :eek:



Helmet and suit color matching: Of course attention to detail here will guarentee the chicks will love it and will swarm all over you! ;)

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/ewg.gif
The way I figure it is..... I already wear AXE body spray & if I mix in a cool swab matching suit, I'm gonna have to swat them away with a stick. :D

[Blanco]

White helmet.
Why do you say White?

In my personal daily life, I typically avoid lighter colors. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

[BajaBronco13]

Not that I have the coin for this but does anyone make custom fit suits for the big boys like me. :D

[Blanco]

Not that I have the coin for this but does anyone make custom fit suits for the big boys like me. :D

YES!
I was talking to the So-Cal G-Force distributor today & he told me that yes they can custom build your suit to fit your Body, As long as your willing to pay for it. :cool:

[BajaBronco13]

Hey Cam,

What are they charging for a custom suit? It maybe worth the extra money since you'll be wearing it for sometime.

Chris

[Blanco]

Hey Cam,

What are they charging for a custom suit? It maybe worth the extra money since you'll be wearing it for sometime.

Chris

To be honest with you, when the guy started talking to me about this, I told him well since this is all new to me & I dont know how hardcore I'll get about this, that for now, an off the rack suit as closely fit to me would be fine & I did not ask him for actually prices considering I knew I could not afford it.:o

But if you'd like to follow up on this, you can call him directly at High Tech Performance. 818-908-0943

I got his number from. http://www.gforce.com/dealers/state.php

[fj40]

SAFETY OVER FASHION !!!
If you happened to climb out of your race car at night, a black suit and helmet are not going to make you very visible until it is to late.
Any other racer can tell you, that whiter helmets are visible from a long way out, even whit out reflective tapes or vinyls.

[Salttoy]

I have both the G-Force Helemet and Driving Suit and have not had any complaints with them for the past four seasons. Since I am a large guy, 6'-2" and hover around 300, I use a XXXL suit with no problems, and yes I know that I am not a good example of the male physique. I believe the larger size cost more money, like an extra $20 or so.

[AngerIssues]

White helmet, anything but white suit. For female attraction, safety pin large bills to the exterior of the suit.

I like it! Also helpful when getting pulled over in mex. or when broken down near a beer stand!! :D

I don't like black, and the thought of walking out wearing a black suit in the Vegas to Reno in August where no chasing is allowed... hmmm... (pick your ride carefully! he he).

I buy off-the-shelf suits, but I'm kinda built "normal". They fit just fine. GREAT point about visibility at night with the black/black combo.

Seems to be a consensus - white helmet, suit doesn't matter but don't buy white. My cousins suit is very sharp, I think the sleeves are black but the rest blue (sounds like a bruise)! Get something YOU like if the color doesn't seem to matter to most people. I like red, but my colors might be changing on the truck - but who cares? It's not a fashion show.

[Blanco]

SAFETY OVER FASHION !!!
If you happened to climb out of your race car at night, a black suit and helmet are not going to make you very visible until it is to late.
I suppose the same can be said about a white while in Silth bed during the day?
I think a Black suit & helmet would be more visible in the silth than a white or lighter color? http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/6.gif

[BajaBronco13]

Come on Cam, just admit you like the cool factor of a black suit and a black helmet.

Chris

[Blanco]

Come on Cam, just admit you like the cool factor of a black suit and a black helmet.

Chris
The cool factor as you put it, is a Bonus..:rolleyes:
But I was thinking more about how to keep the suit & helmet looking clean the longest.


But I suspose if I dont go with all black I might go with a blue & white suit & white helmet. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

But heck if I'm gonna spend around 1K for a suit & helmet etc... I would like it to match..

[locopny]

But I was thinking more about how to keep the suit & helmet looking clean the longest...

leave it in the closet is the only place its probably gonna stay clean.
Dust happens...you get dirty changing flats :rolleyes: ...Chicks like dusty fellas-especailly if they have large bills safety pinned to race suit.:D

[AngerIssues]

The cool factor as you put it, is a Bonus..:rolleyes:

But heck if I'm gonna spend around 1K for a suit & helmet etc... I would like it to match..

I know you've done your research and it's a matter of personal opinion to all... but if you are spending more than 550 total for suit and helmet (combined), I think you are crazy... but then again - I've been called a lot worse in my day. It's like I say when bear hunting, and people ask me if I am fast and whether I can outrun a bear.... I say "no.. I just have to outrun you". :o)

looking forward to seeing you climb in that fancy black suit :D

[retroblazer]

$550 is very reasonable for a helmet and suit. A modest helmet is $300-330 including shipping and or tax. and the balance of around $200 for a suit is likewise, reasonable. Oh ya, you still need a radio kit for the helmet.Sure, you could get a single layer Proban cotton suit for a hundred, but you still need nomex underwear at minimum. My carbon-x underwear goes alone is over a hundred bucks. Plan on spending closer to a $800 for a full set-up of decent safety gear.

[wiley-moeracing]

GET A WHITE HELMET>> We broke down in mex at night with no moon and had to walk out to the checkpoint, to find it was closed, so we had to walk into the closest town at midnight along a roadway. get the brightest colors to wear no matter what they look like it could be the differance between life and death, buy the way its a great story will share with you guys sometime

[Blanco]

$550 is very reasonable for a helmet and suit. A modest helmet is $300-330 including shipping and or tax. and the balance of around $200 for a suit is likewise, reasonable. Oh ya, you still need a radio kit for the helmet.Sure, you could get a single layer Proban cotton suit for a hundred, but you still need nomex underwear at minimum. My carbon-x underwear goes alone is over a hundred bucks. Plan on spending closer to a $800 for a full set-up of decent safety gear.

& then about $50.00 for gloves & I dont have any sort of boots right now.
So add boots or Race shoes..
I saw the G-Force Boots, their actually pretty nice & have good tough souls for hikes in the desert when the racer breaks down .

Do any of you wear those helmet supports?
http://www.deist.com/upFiles/NeckRestraint_edge2_side.jpg

[BajaBronco13]

You're not going new school with a HANS device Cam? Those things are pricy but I'm sure Dale Earnhardt wish he had one.

CP

[Blanco]

Naw, maybe one day, but since I'm a newbie.. I'l take one step at a time..
Do you plan on running one at your very 1st race?

I know it only takes one crash.. :rolleyes:

But no one else in Class 3 is running them are they?

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Naw, maybe one day, but since I'm a newbie.. I'l take one step at a time..
Do you plan on running one at your very 1st race?
I know it only takes one crash.. :rolleyes:
But no one else in Class 3 is running them are they?

Yes, some of us are. I wore mine co-dogging for the Moss's at the 1000. I was in the seat for 6 hours. I also wear it in the 11 car that I am a main driver of......which we will be racing at the return of the MINT 400 this year. The head and neck restraints are VERY expensive AND WORTH EVERY PENNY. It's not the speed you go that dictates the need for a head and neck restaint system...... it's the sudden STOP when you hit.......and it's the angle that you hit. It doesnt have to be high speed. A head and neck device will be a REQUIREMEMENT for anyone driving or riding in my racer.

[AngerIssues]

Yes, some of us are. I wore mine co-dogging for the Moss's at the 1000. I was in the seat for 6 hours. I also wear it in the 11 car that I am a main driver of......which we will be racing at the return of the MINT 400 this year. The head and neck restraints are VERY expensive AND WORTH EVERY PENNY. It's not the speed you go that dictates the need for a head and neck restaint system...... it's the sudden STOP when you hit.......and it's the angle that you hit. It doesnt have to be high speed. A head and neck device will be a REQUIREMEMENT for anyone driving or riding in my racer.


Well, being the resident idiot of the site... i don't wear nomex underwear, a neck-brace, a hans device, or fancy boots or gloves. I wear k-mart boots, mechanix gloves (10 bucks). I go out and have fun, and feel just damn safe doing it. I'm old school. You weanies can have all that - he he :D Some day when I'm in the burn ward and paralyzed, you can all sneak beers into my room. I wore head-gear in high-school, that is as close to a hans device as I'm getting until I get a TT :cool:

[Blanco]

Pyrovatex or Nomex or Endura

What do you prefer & why? :confused:

[Blanco]

I just got this Cheapy. :o

The one I brought home is Black.

$143.89 + tax Total = $155.76
http://www.deist.com/item.asp?item_id=501041747171851
http://www.deist.com/upFiles/Indura%20Std.jpg

To be honest the biggest reason is because I'm completely broke & am struggling to make my Credit Card payments.. :(

But since I plan to race the MINT400, I cant keep waiting till I make more money to buy a higher quality suit.

So now with the helmit I got, I'm basically ready to go.
If I can afford it I'll buy a few more things, Like Gloves, shoes, Neck brace. & helmet sock.

[fj40]

thats the one I use.... no complains.

[Blanco]

This is what I bought today.

But Mine are all in Black.
http://www.gforce.com/products/pimages/full/full_4121.jpg
http://www.rjsracing.com/images/gloves.gif
http://www.gforce.com/products/pimages/full/full_0235.jpg

[AngerIssues]

I just


looks great! Who are you racing with??? Driving the Blanco or ????

[Blanco]

looks great! Who are you racing with??? Driving the Blanco or ????

Thats a secret! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/censor.gif
To only be learned at the MINT400. ;)

[Blanco]

It seems most of you run Helmet skirts.
http://www.gforce.com/products/pimages/full/full_4240.jpg

Instead of the Hoods.
http://www.upr.com/images/D/15e-white-15.jpg

& I wondered why? :confused:

I suppose the Hood seems to be a bit much?

[Blanco]

Whats the best price you guys have found on Carbon-X under wear?

I would love to get a long sleeve undershirt & long johns. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

This seems to be the best I've found.
http://www.saferacer.com/simpson-carbon-x-underwear.html?productid=1031

[TeamG]

I also found these guys while surfin':

http://www.discoveryparts.com/cgi-bin/store/commerce.cgi?product=underwear

http://www.pitstopusa.com/

Summit Racing is also right here in Sparks, however they don't always have the best prices.

[fj40]

It seems most of you run Helmet skirts.
Instead of the Hoods. & I wondered why? :confused:
I suppose the Hood seems to be a bit much?

Well, they do have different purposes, the skirt are a must if using forced air helmets, it forms a fire proof "seal" between your helmet and shoulders keeping filtered air in and dust out.
Hoods provide extra fire protection and thats it, using both should be the norm but if you have to choose just one, go for the skirt.

Mis dos pesos.

[Blanco]

I was thinking about how the hood would kinda make a Pumper helmet feel less effective.

[Blanco]

What do you guys think about these?

Prices are great, But?............. :confused:

http://www.safetysupplysouth.com/index.aspx?Command=GroupInfo&GroupID=9932

[Dave G]

What do you guys think about these?

If you can find a place to let you try them on before you buy them, do it!
(In other words... If you buy them online, be sure you can return them after you try them on!)

I've got a set of the carbonX pants, and I hate them! They've got a really funky cut and really aren't comfortable! They might be tolerable for a 30 minute roundy-round race, but after wearing them for 30+ hours at the B1K, I just wanted to burn them! (of course, that would never happen now would it?)

[Blanco]

Well, how many places let you try on underwear? :confused:

& since you did'nt like the Carbon-X, what do you recommend?

[Dave G]

Well, how many places let you try on underwear? :confused:

None that I know of! Point made!:rolleyes:

& since you did'nt like the Carbon-X, what do you recommend?

I don't know, Just passing on what I've learned!

I've heard that the carbon X material can be bought for around $4 / square foot, so if you know anybody that can sew.......:D