Pigs re-build

[pigracing]

So last sunday I decided to cross that line and started stripping the bronco. I haddent planned on doing this until summer but after a few desert trips over the last month and a half things just started to fall apart. I didn't want to waste time on temp fixes to limp me through the season so I just bit the bullet and decided to get an early start on it.

Anyways here it is:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/P1090547.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/P1090548.jpg

I'm going to pull the body off and clean up the frame and go from there.

[flyinbronco]

Holy crap. It looks like the aftermath of a chop shop crew on meth.

[Blanco]

Holy crap. It looks like the aftermath of a chop shop crew on meth.

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So whats your Plan?
Race? or Chase? or Pre-Run? Or? :confused:

[pigracing]

Holy crap. It looks like the aftermath of a chop shop crew on meth.

Oh and it's just the beginning!:D

[Blanco]

I guess considering where you posted this, you plan to Race Huh? :confused:

[pigracing]

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So whats your Plan?
Race? or Chase? or Pre-Run? Or? :confused:


The plan is to race mdr's superstition series aswell as participate in the cup series if possible. I'm aiming to make it score legal aswell.
Beyond that i'm still in planning.

[Blanco]

aswell as participate in the cup series if possible.

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/awesome_dude.gif

Thats what I wanna hear! :D

We need everyone to seriously look at going for the Class3Cup challenge! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

As the Cups 1st Sponsor I'm full on Hardcore behind this with ken & I'm willing to put up alot in attempts to make sure this happens. :o

[pigracing]

Between my schedule and the rain, getting around to doing anything with this has been tough. I did manage to finally get some buddies over to give me a hand lifting the body off and moving the chassis over to the side of the driveway.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/P1290646.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/P1290645.jpg
So I plan on focusing on the cab before I further strip the chassis.
For the cab I'm going through and cutting out all of the internal sheet metal so I can get the cage tucked in there nice and tight. Then it's getting painted. There will be more to get chopped (core support, quarter panels, wheel wells and most of the rear floor pan) but not until I get a better idea of where every things going and how it'll all get replaced.

[wiley-moeracing]

good luck jeep eater looks like a good start to the project

[pigracing]

Alright it's been a few weeks so I wanted to kind of check in. The weather and work kind of slowed me down but a couple weeks ago my aunt throw a real wrench in the works and forced me to move the project out of my grandmothers driveway. Luckily my grandmother is allowing me to continue building the vehicle at her house but i had to move it to the back yard which required demoing a block wall and building a new gated fence back there.
So while it's not a direct update on the build it's very necisary one to continue it:p

Original block wall:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Misc/P2070772.jpg

Demo:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Misc/P2070774.jpg

New gated fence:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/000_0386.jpg

And the new work area:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/000_0385.jpg

I'm going to add some out door recepticles and some perminate lighting too. Should be pretty nice.

[AngerIssues]

i had to move it to the back yard which required demoing a block wall and building a new gated fence back there.
So while it's not a direct update on the build it's very necisary one to continue it:p
Should be pretty nice.

The first thing I thought of... but I don't think I said it (when I saw your original photos of the project... was "man, your neighbors must hate you!!". All that cutting, grinding, power tools, air compressors!! oh man!!

I had a huge garage (pre-divorce) and the wife slept in the very very back room, yet sometimes she would come out at 1:00 and say "ok, that's IT!". :mad:

You have a pretty darn nice g-ma!!! So do I, I just don't build my car there, but I bet she would let me if I needed to!

Keep up the good work!!!

[Blanco]

Wow dude!:eek:

Your lucky, there's no way my Grand Ma would ever let me knock down her wall. just so I could get my project back there.

You better be nice to her!

[pigracing]

Yeah she's great! I lived with my grandparents for a good part of my life so she's been used to seeing me working on that thing here I guess. Just about all the neighbors know us too so they didn't care about that thing being built out there. I wouldn't start work on it before 10am and always finished by 5 pm so I tried to keep it as little a neusense as possible . Also theres a guy down the street that rebuilds classics. He currently has two in his drive way covered with tarps and two more in the street, also covered with tarps so i'm not alone in this kind of thing i guess.

Besides as busy as it get for me it's kind of nice to cruise over to grandmas get a free meal work on the truck and visit for a bit. I know she enjoys the company - even if I spend half the time out side working on the thing.

[Blanco]

I found these Cool Pics that might inspire you. :)

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p198/Villanmotorsports/BIV%20Bronco/Ideas/bumpers/leftfront.jpg

http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p198/Villanmotorsports/BIV%20Bronco/Ideas/fenders/BRONCO3SM.jpg

[BajaBronco13]

I believe that red one is Bobby's at Solo Motorsports in Azusa. I saw it when I went over to pick up my cut and turned beams and radius arms. It's a really nice prerunner.

[pigracing]

Thanks for the pics blanco. I've seen that black one before but not the red one. Both look damn nice.

Anyways I finally got free enough to put in a days work on the pig.
The weather was sketchy with some rain on the way but it held out long enough for me to get the tranny, t-case, tank and most of the front end out of there.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0397.jpg

Still not sure what to do with the motor. Run the ohv or ditch it for the sohc?:cool:
Decisions, decisions:p

[retroblazer]

5.0 V-8

[straightaxle]

Well, if you get rid of the OHV, I know someone that is still running one. There was a brand new SOHC in the crate at the swap meet last week, I have no idea what they get for one of those. The 5.0 is hands down the best choice for reliability, cost and HP, all other conditions being equal, but there will be some packaging issues. They are a little bigger and the BII is not big to begin with.

[pigracing]

CR23 Engine & Engine Displacement
"Engine must be of the same manufacturer basic design & type & have the same number of cylinders as the one installed by the manufacturer."

Is that not the case? I would consider a 5.0 if I can get away with it though.
Of course I may just stick with the OHV. It cost me a lot to swap that in there way back when and it's running top notch and has less than 40,000 miles on it. It's just I know there are better options out there and if I'm going to make the swap in the future I might as well just do it now as now is the time to do it.

[straightaxle]

That is the rule which would limit you to a Ford V6.

[pigracing]

Well i've been doing a little here and there over the last few weeks. I guess i finally finished the tear down portion.
I don't have a cherry picker, engine stand or even really the space to store the motor so I'm just going to leave it bolted to the chassis. Everything else is off. Stripped the fuel lines, break lines, wiring and all unnecessary brackets from the frame.
We got the driver side cleaned up real good and went ahead and put a coat of primer on it (after pic was taken).
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0404.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0405.jpg

I think i'm going to focus on getting the drive train components all cleaned up and de-greased while I wait on getting some money together for the plating to box the frame. I'm still in need of a new DD too so my money's kind of stretched thin for the the time being.

[AngerIssues]

Keep it up! It will all be worth it when you take your first green flag and roar off into the desert. then after 10 miles you will wonder "what in the hell are we doing?" ha ha. I do it all the time!:)

[straightaxle]

HaHa! Don't know how many times I have said to myself, "we have only gone 10 miles? OMG!"

[Blanco]

Keep it up! It will all be worth it when you take your first green flag and roar off into the desert. then after 10 miles you will wonder "what in the hell are we doing?" ha ha. I do it all the time!:)

HaHa! Don't know how many times I have said to myself, "we have only gone 10 miles? OMG!"

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[pigracing]

I'll take that over "I've only ground off one rivet? OMG!"
Man I'll tell ya last saturday it was brutal in the heat. I swear I had to take a break after each rivet:(
I'm sure glad that's over with.

[straightaxle]

Other methods for removing rivets:

drill
drill first then grind
cold chisel
torch, then grind

None are fun! Some leave more damage to bracket than others

[pigracing]

I ended up grinding off the head and then drilling a small hole through them and finally knocked them out with a small sledge. I suppose it wouldn't have been too bad if it wasn't for how many there were. I think the final count came to 50. Plus there were 8 on each side that were really hard to get too.

[pigracing]

I got a question for you guys.

I spent the afternoon cleaning the gunk off of the transmission and t-case today. In the process I drained the fluid from the both of them. Is it going to be an issue having them sit for so long with out fluid in there? I'm kind of thinking some sort of oxidation may take place with out any.

Like wise I noticed I still have a bunch of coolent in the motor. Should I go ahead and blow that all out or what?

[Blanco]

Everything will still have a coat of oil on it so, you should be fine as far as oxidation.
But the seals I wonder about?

How long do you figure there gonna sit dry?

[pigracing]

Everything will still have a coat of oil on it so, you should be fine as far as oxidation.
But the seals I wonder about?

How long do you figure there gonna sit dry?

It's hard to say but I doubt i'll even be able to fire it up until next spring some time. I finally picked up my new daily driver today so I have between now and august to put as much money and progress into it before it slows down again for the holidays.

[BajaBronco13]

Hey James,

You are way ahead of me on the tear down. I'm working on the rivets this weekend and not looking forward to it.

Chris

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/633447/fullsize/race-bronco-046.jpg

[convoy]

Rivets are nothing if you have access to a large slide hammer..... as I found out all it takes is grinding off the rivet head with an angle grinder then borrowing a 20lb slide hammer from my work (used for doing compaction testing on soils.. thats another topic) and it took no more than two slides of the hammer and they came right out. Too easy if you can get one of these tools. My brother laughed when he saw me bring out this large ass slide hammer, but then he quickly asked to borrow it a day later.

[pigracing]

Hey James,

You are way ahead of me on the tear down. I'm working on the rivets this weekend and not looking forward to it.

Chris

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/633447/fullsize/race-bronco-046.jpg

Nice!
Man if you were closer i'd come over and help.

How do you like those dollies under your wheels? I was considering doing the same thing.

[BajaBronco13]

Thanks for the offer James. Wish you were closer too.

As far as the wheel dollies, they are totally worth the $150.00 per pair I paid at Harbor Freight. They are pretty awesome units. I had four of the cheaper units but ended up blowing the wheels on one of the dollies but Harbor Freight gave me credit on them so I upgraded. The nice thing about the hydralic units is that you just have to open up the dolly to fit around the wheel, step on the hydralic pedal, it closes up and lifts the wheel/vehicle off the ground.

Keep the photos coming. Motivating me to keep working on my rig.

Chris

[pigracing]

Well here's another side update:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Chase/000_0406.jpg

My new dd!
I plan on doing some mild things for it as time and money permits. It'll be getting a few hand me downs from the bronco and should do well as a support vehicle of sorts I guess.

It's a 95 with 4x4 and has 145,000 on it with a rebuilt tranny at 100. Motor feels good so hopefully I can get a few more years out of it before needing an overhaul. The interiors clean and exteriors not bad either.

[BajaBronco13]

James,

Does that Explorer have the V8? Will you able to tow your racer with it?

Chris

[pigracing]

James,

Does that Explorer have the V8? Will you able to tow your racer with it?

Chris

Nope. It's got the 4.0 ohv. I was really trying to find something with the sohc but i couldn't find one with 4x4 and 4 door.

Aside from being my dd I plan to use it to tow a pop up tent trailer when I go out. After the Pigs complete i'll address my towing needs with some year f-250. The plan is my wife can tow the pop up out with the explorer while I tow the pig out with the f250.

[Blanco]

With current gas prices, I dont blame you for not buying a V8.
Locally here in Burbank regular Unleaded has reached OVER $4:00. :mad:

[pigracing]

With current gas prices, I dont blame you for not buying a V8.
Locally here in Burbank regular Unleaded has reached OVER $4:00. :mad:

It was pretty tempting at the prices people seem to be letting them go for now a days. Aside from the poor gas milage though they only came in 2wd or an AWD configuration and I heard the AWD isn't that great an option - underperforming in the dirt and chewing through tires on the street.

I really, really wanted the SOHC but I couldn't find any with 4 door and 4x4.:(

[Ckrue689]

Any progress on the B2????

[pigracing]

Frustratingly no.
My schooling sucked me more dry than I had anticipated. I'm hoping to get back on track in the next couple weeks though.

[Ckrue689]

Frustratingly no.
My schooling sucked me more dry than I had anticipated. I'm hoping to get back on track in the next couple weeks though.

for sure man, Im stuck in the same boat. I wish I could just pay my tuition and have them give me a diploma, just about everything they are teaching i learned in high school. except my engineering course, now that one id pay double...

[straightaxle]

for sure man, Im stuck in the same boat. I wish I could just pay my tuition and have them give me a diploma, just about everything they are teaching i learned in high school. except my engineering course, now that one id pay double...

Someday when you're an employer doing interviews, you will appreciate those that have "paid their dues" and toughed it out. When it's all over, you will realize that all engineering did was teach you how to sit back and RTFM. (Read The F'n Manual) Get some business management classes because your engineering curriculum will not give you enough. The typical step up for an engineer is a management position, and engineers are usually poorly prepared for that.

[Ckrue689]

Someday when you're an employer doing interviews, you will appreciate those that have "paid their dues" and toughed it out. When it's all over, you will realize that all engineering did was teach you how to sit back and RTFM. (Read The F'n Manual) Get some business management classes because your engineering curriculum will not give you enough. The typical step up for an engineer is a management position, and engineers are usually poorly prepared for that.

I had planned on taking a business course and I am planning on taking it this semester.

[pigracing]

Ok so hears a little story and an update: I had let my mother-in-laws boyfriend barrow my welder way back before I even started tearing down my bronco. He said he only needed it for a couple weeks but then he kept claiming to need it longer and since I really didn't need it at the time I didn't push the issue. However now i'm at a point where I needed it back and naturally the guy wasn't so quick to answer his phone:rolleyes: I finally did get through to him though and told him I'm going to head over to pick up my welder (I specifically used "my welder" and not "the welder" as I had a feeling he was getting pretty attached to it;)) and he agrees. Then I get there... He's got it on some goofy cart and one of the gauges is kind of busted up with the lens being held on by tape!:( Plus it's filthy as hell!:mad: When he barrowed it, it looked bran new!
Despite that though the thing that pissed me off the most was while loading it up I asked if he wanted to hang on to the cart and he has the audacity to call my welder the "community welder" as in "well I figure since it's the community welder then the stand should just stay with it":mad::mad::mad:
Community welder my ass - I don't recall him chipping in on it!!! Oh and just before I'm about to drive away he even asked me when he could get it back. WTF? The whole time I was just trying to be nice and laugh off his non sense but it'll be a long while before he get near any of my tools again.
Geez that really peeved me.


But anyways. I got my welder back but I still have to hook up a dedicated circuit for it at my gmas house as for some odd reason my grandpa had the original 220 circuit removed:confused:
I'm also going to try to get some plating so I can start boxing the frame.

[straightaxle]

Welder stories, AAAARRRRGGGHHHH. A guy that used to live across the street used to be a carpenter would occasionally borrow my mig welder. My crew knows that I refer to him as my "hillbilly neighbor". I would borrow a ladder from him or let him build a gate for me, so it was no big deal. Then he starts a "side business" building bumper mounted vise mounts, with my welder of course. So we are in Mexico for a race, and I get a call on my cell from HBN, and he says "Hey, Becky and I just split up, she kicked me out, and there's a bottle of gas over at the house". I go pick the thing up when I get back from Mexico and find out he had used one of my business cards to rent a big bottle of mig gas from the welding supply store. He had paid for the gas, but the monthly rental was charging to the company! I grabbed the bottle and paid the rent for another month while we burned off the gas on some projects. He would carpenter all day, and then weld until 3 or 4 in the morning for days at a time, you think there was some chemical assistance there?

[BajaBronco13]

Hey James,

Haven't you heard, "No good deed goes unpunished"?

By the way, when can I come by for OUR welder????? Just kidding bro. I've been in that same situation with gear. Unfortunately sometimes people only take real care of gear they actually paid for. I make it a practice to return any thing I borrow in the same or better condition then I received it. Even when I borrowed my brother's truck to tow my Bronco, I washed it inside and out and filled the tank up as a thank you.

Chris

[Ckrue689]

Hey James,

Haven't you heard, "No good deed goes unpunished"?

By the way, when can I come by for OUR welder????? Just kidding bro. I've been in that same situation with gear. Unfortunately sometimes people only take real care of gear they actually paid for. I make it a practice to return any thing I borrow in the same or better condition then I received it. Even when I borrowed my brother's truck to tow my Bronco, I washed it inside and out and filled the tank up as a thank you.

Chris


yeah, Ive been very cautious about not abusing tools and so far they all seem to be lasting...

[pigracing]

Yeah serious there's an etiquette to borrowing things and he seems to lack it. It doesn't help that i'm way to damn passive about these kind of things... Or maybe i'm just a real big softy:p

So anyways I'm trying to plan ahead for how to re-route the fuel lines, break lines and electrical with out leaving it all too exposed. If anybody has any pics of what they did i'd appreciate it. Also any ideas as to how to secure them to the frame.

Currently I was thinking about just keeping all of the electrical inside the cab and then welding a small strip of plating (1/16 x 1 1/2" wide) down the length of frame to offer some protection but I don't know...

[pigracing]

Oh and I forgot for the breaks I was thinking about running a hard line through the boxed frame with the fittings secured at each end.

[straightaxle]

We have routed the brake and fuel lines where the factory did, inside the frame rails. We did not plate the frame rails, and very, very few race trucks are plated. The stress of the shock and spring mounts are typically handled by the cage which is spread to numerous location points on the stock frame. The primary points on the frame that take a beating are the forward leaf spring hangers on the rear springs and the radius arm brackets. What seems to help is putting large doubler plates inside the frame and bolting through the frame to them. We have had damage to brake and fuel lines as well as battery cables (since the batteries are in the rear) when the u-joint fails at the rear pinion. The shaft (and once even half the pinion shaft as well) slings around and whacks all kinds of stuff. There's a loop on the front, but without a cage like the monster trucks use, it is impossible to contain them at the pinion end. Suprisingly none of the impacts ever severed any of the components or shorted anything out. Plating in this area would probably help this situation.

[pigracing]

I love first hand insight like that. Thanks

[pigracing]

I finally have a bit of an update:
It was a late start but I plugged just about every hole on the driver side. I should be able to do the other side and then go back over them with the grinder to get them all nice and flush.
Hopefully I can get the plating this week so I can start cutting it next week end and maybe even start boxing it all in.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0410.jpg

[BajaBronco13]

James any updates on the frame?

I'm wire wheeling mine right now. Got more of the rivets out though. What a pain in the neck. I found a place in LA that will media blast my frame for a $120.00 but my kid and nephew are have a good time using the grinder with a wire wheel attachment.

Chris

[pigracing]

Yeah I was working on it today for a little bit actually.

As it stands today all of the smaller holes through out the frame have been welded up with all of them grinded down smooth on the driver side and i'm about half done on the passenger side. I'll probably pick up some plating this week to use to fill some of the larger holes.

I'm doing something a little bit different than most and i'm not sure if it's a good idea or just a crazy one but you guys will have to wait until it's done before I show case it in it's final grandeur ;)

Yeah those rivets are no fun but atleast you got your kid and nephews help:p. I was actually surprised at how well the good ol' wire wheel worked on mine.


I'll try to remember to get some pics up on friday or saturday though.

[Blanco]

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0410.jpg

I must say I just LOVE this Picture! http://thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

[steveG]

Why are you filling the holes?

[pigracing]

Why are you filling the holes?

Maybe im that bored:rolleyes:

I'm going to try something that I thought was kind of creative but you'll have to wait until i see if it even works out as planned.

[BajaBronco13]

Maybe im that bored:rolleyes:

I'm going to try something that I thought was kind of creative but you'll have to wait until i see if it even works out as planned.


I'm with you James. Something about looking at a frame that looks like swiss cheese makes me want to fill in all of the holes on my frame as well. I didn't realize there would be so many holes but once I tore down the frame I started to notice. Can't wait to see what you come up with.

Chris

[steveG]

I would be concerned about what all that heat is doing to the frame material. I'd be much more inclined to say you're doing more to weaken the frame than strengthen it, but hopefully you'll prove me wrong.

Keep us posted on your progress.

[pigracing]

I would be concerned about what all that heat is doing to the frame material. I'd be much more inclined to say you're doing more to weaken the frame than strengthen it, but hopefully you'll prove me wrong.

Keep us posted on your progress.

Yeah I was concerned and still am but I talked to hand full of guys who boxed and/or hard faces their frames with out ever having any cracking issues so we'll see. Now of course i'm adding a whole lot more heat to it but for the sake of future projects at least I'll have a better idea of how much welding a ford frame can take.:p

Also a secondary goal of doing this was to ensure no dirt or mud or other crap can get in there and weigh down or rot out the inside of the frame.

[roaringrory]

Wow what a big project! You have a cool grandma. Grandma get's a new fence and you will have a cool bronco. I can't wait to see the finished project and see you racing at superstition.

[pigracing]

Wow what a big project! You have a cool grandma. Grandma get's a new fence and you will have a cool bronco. I can't wait to see the finished project and see you racing at superstition.

Yeah she's awesome. When I was installing the new circuit for my welder she asked if that was the power for the jacuzzi. When I asked what jacuzzi she said the one I'm installing as soon as the trucks out of there:p
She's a crack up.

[Blanco]

Yeah she's awesome. When I was installing the new circuit for my welder she asked if that was the power for the jacuzzi. When I asked what jacuzzi she said the one I'm installing as soon as the trucks out of there:p
She's a crack up.

Treat her right!
You might wanna consider it. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/m2c.gif

[Ckrue689]

Also a secondary goal of doing this was to ensure no dirt or mud or other crap can get in there and weigh down or rot out the inside of the frame.


The amount of crap that will get into a fully boxed frame would blow your mind.

the frame on our tacoma was completely boxed from the factory, we cut the inside of the rail enough to sandblast everything, and then plated over everything with 3/16''. after one of our upper links broke, I had to cut part of the plating out, and there was about a solid inch of dried mud and goo in that thing. that frame is completely sealed. so I have no idea how it got in there but somehow it found a way...

[CopyKat]

If you want to keep it sealed then use expanding foam and fill the void. Dirt/Mud can't get in then. What's the killer is the dust that sits in the frame and the moisture left but the changing air inside. it'll rust from the inside out.

When I patched the floor of my truck every open tube/crossmember I could find got expanding foam. I believe I even did the A pillars;)

[Ckrue689]

If you want to keep it sealed then use expanding foam and fill the void. Dirt/Mud can't get in then. What's the killer is the dust that sits in the frame and the moisture left but the changing air inside. it'll rust from the inside out.

When I patched the floor of my truck every open tube/crossmember I could find got expanding foam. I believe I even did the A pillars;)

yeah, that could work depending on the foam you actually use. alot of foams actually disintegrate if they come in contact with moisture. check out home depot, they have an expanding foam that is water and UV resistant and lasts a lifetime, I use that stuff on almost all the jobs I get called out too.

[pigracing]

This is how I left the drivers side the day after the last update. I still haven't had a chance to get the metal to fill the larger holes or even start plating the other side but in the mean time i've been slowly working on the passenger side.

I don't know if it's the gas prices or what but it's just been an uphill battle trying to pull together any extra money to put towards this, so things are progressing a lot slower than I had planed:(

[CopyKat]

Updates??:rolleyes:

[BajaBronco13]

Yeah James show us some pics. I dig following your build. My two older sisters had Bronco IIs (1986 and a 1987) and those were fun to drive but never thought about them as racers until just recently.

[pigracing]

Yeah yeah.... I'm trying!
Didn't get anything done last week as I had a company picnic on saturday and my mother in laws b-day on sunday:rolleyes:

But I did just come across a guy selling a bender so I'm hopping to pic it up on Friday - the balls in his court for now though and I'm just waiting on a reply:cool:

[pigracing]

Woo-hoo I got me a bender! It's a jd2 model 3 used for $250. I was going to pick up the metal to finally start boxing the frame but I figured it would be better to go ahead and jump on this bender and save some money. I probably wont have much to update over the next month as my moneys going to be stretched thin over other obligations that annoyingly keep popping up:mad:

[retroblazer]

Put up a picture of the bender when you get a chance. What is the price for a new bender vs. your used bender?

[3amigo]

You would be close to $500 on that bender with a single die. If he gets one or more dies with it, it is a great deal.
I have the same bender, and they work very well.

[pigracing]

Brand new from their site - $295 plus $40 for the extension handle and another $135 for the stand. Figure $30 for tax and maybe $50 for shipping and handling and I figure your looking at $550 brand new.
Although if I were to buy new i would have just purchased the bender and built my own stand and handle but I imagine that would still put me close to $400.

I didn't get any dies with it by the way.

[pigracing]

Oh and I'll try to get a pic up of it next week end.

[Ckrue689]

UPDATES, updates, UPDATES!!!!!


got any updates???

[CopyKat]

The dies are the expensive parts too. I believe a buddy of mine spent almost $250 to get a set of 1.75" dies and he made his own bender.

[Ckrue689]

your close to me I believe. just bring what you need bent and Ill bend it at the shop.

[pigracing]

yeah I'm lagging again....:o

I don't know what the deal is but i'm struggling like hell to get any money put aside for this. Next week i'll be in lucerne so I won't be able to get anything done but hopefully the week end after I'll get some coin aside to get started on boxing it like I said i would weeks ago. Of course that's also the week end of my b-day so.... i may be drunk all week end:D

[Ckrue689]

I ve been lagging just as bad, I havnt done anything to mine in over a month. Im working 3 jobs now and I cant even manage to get any money set aside, but then again I like to play alot ive been taking my boat out every weekend taking my lady out on dates, paintball tournaments, not to mention all the races I have been going to. that stuff all adds up quick and it is really expensive...

[CopyKat]

Sounds like most of you guys have lives and don't spend as much time with your trucks like I do. I'm pathetic!:( lol:p

[pigracing]

but then again I like to play alot ive been taking my boat out every weekend taking my lady out on dates, paintball tournaments, not to mention all the races I have been going to. that stuff all adds up quick and it is really expensive...

Exactly. I went camping last week end (corral canyon) and then will be again this week end for the race. Luckily I had a decent group of friends that all pitched in so it didn't cost as much but it certainly does add up.

[AngerIssues]

I ve been lagging just as bad, I havnt done anything to mine in over a month. Im working 3 jobs now and I cant even manage to get any money set aside, but then again I like to play alot ive been taking my boat out every weekend taking my lady out on dates, paintball tournaments, not to mention all the races I have been going to. that stuff all adds up quick and it is really expensive...

How do you keep the air in her at the paintball park? Everytime I shoot my date, the paintball rips through the latex and she leaks. Then... I look silly trying to blow her up again (puff puff puff). Plus, the air intake is in a bad-looking spot (should an "outlet" if you know what I mean). My friends all laugh at me and it hurts my feelings. Seeking advice in Ventura:

[Ckrue689]

no. I have no life.


then again, maybe I do because Im pretty sure my lady isnt made out of latex...

[AngerIssues]

no. I have no life.


then again, maybe I do because Im pretty sure my lady isnt made out of latex...

I tried mylar but she kept floating away. Then I'd have to shoot her with the BB gun to get her back down, and... puff, puff, puff!!

[Ckrue689]

I tried mylar but she kept floating away. Then I'd have to shoot her with the BB gun to get her back down, and... puff, puff, puff!!


you know they sell a vagina that bolts to your car...


Ill find the link and send you the video. Its hilarious but Im ashamed to say I actually thought about buying one at one point. I mean cmon we put so much money into our trucks we might as well get something out of them, right?


pahhhahhahahahahahaha.

[CopyKat]

I tried mylar but she kept floating away. Then I'd have to shoot her with the BB gun to get her back down, and... puff, puff, puff!!

:rolleyes: I think you need to change your user name. "SexualfrustrationIssues"

[pigracing]

Holly crap in hell. I better get some updates before this thread gets any weirder.

[AngerIssues]

you know they sell a vagina that bolts to your car...

Ill find the link and send you the video. Its hilarious but Im ashamed to say I actually thought about buying one at one point. I mean cmon we put so much money into our trucks we might as well get something out of them, right?

I can't get my bronco to drink a margarita... I even tried sexy lingerie... no luck!! Do you know how big the panties have to be to fit a 108 inch wheel-base?

[Blanco]

I can't get my bronco to drink a margarita... I even tried sexy lingerie... no luck!! Do you know how big the panties have to be to fit a 108 inch wheel-base?

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/17.gif

[Ckrue689]

yeah, this is what happens when we dont get our daily dose of updates...

[11wnb]

Holly crap in hell. I better get some updates before this thread gets any weirder.

Better get to work before Ken starts posting pictures.:eek:

[pigracing]

Woo-hoo! had me a crazy week of ups and downs but in the end it's not only friday but my b-day and wouldn't you know it i got myself a nice $3 raise at work! I figure i'm going to do the fun thing and put those $3/hour straight towards my build so that should really help:D Hell the wifey even told me I needed it so who am i to disagree?:eek:
Tomorrow i got some things to take care of but i'm hopping to get around to working on the truck. I may forgo the start of boxing the frame to a little work with the drive train but we'll see.
I should have an update by tomorrow night though

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/1a_spcartman.gif

[Ckrue689]

aboot time eh?

Im in the same boat you are, money's tight and school is expensive. But my thoroughbred is moving along in stages. Its slow, but I want her ready for the MDR race in October.

[CopyKat]

I should have an update by tomorrow night though

:rolleyes:

[pigracing]

:rolleyes:
yeah yeah....
My wife through me a surprise b-day party so I didn't get a chance to work on anything. But believe me when i get an update i'll post it immediately
:cool:

[pigracing]

Ok so I figured i'd better get an update before some of you form a lynching mob after me.

Zee bender:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0436.jpg
Still need dies and to mount it but i'm not to the point of needing either right now so no biggie.

I got tired of dealing with my old crappy mask so I swung by air-gas and upgraded:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0439.jpg

I know it's a crappy pic but if anybody can and is willing to critique that there weld I'm open to learn how i can improve it. I know i need to get better at making single passes as you can tell i had to stop a few times
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0438.jpg

But the frame is completely plugged from the outside except for the remaining rivets that will be removed as I replace the various cross members.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/000_0440.jpg

Unfortunately the metal supply shops closed before I could get there so I wasn't able to get the plating to actually start boxing it but oh well.

I also got a few other goodies but i'm saving them for later.

[CopyKat]

Turn up the heat. The welds look a little cold. Looking good otherwise.

What's your plan for body mounts? Solid? and rear bumper I noticed that you filled the holes. You welding that to the frame?

[Ckrue689]

A- turn up the heat
B- Slow down
C- put more heat on the thicker metal, let it puddle and then bring it up.

I typically go with zig-zag /\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\. the curly cue thing doesnt work that well, it tends to make the bead build up too much.

practice practice practice. go by a shop and just ask if you can have their scrap because you want to practice welding. most places are cool enough about it they'll give you some.

What kind of welder are you using?? post a pic up.

[Blanco]

practice practice practice. go by a shop and just ask if you can have their scrap because you want to practice welding. most places are cool enough about it they'll give you some.
I dont know about where you live but, I just got my welder back from a friend of mine that we bought together & I tried to get some free scraps from the local shops I got some from about a year ago, & now they say NO FREE SCRAPS! :(
Everything is for sale by the pound. :rolleyes:

What kind of welder are you using?? post a pic up.

Mines a Hobart 140.
& I must say I'm completely terrible at welding, "The worlds worst welder" http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/paperbag.gif
So compared to me your doing great!
Like they say keep practicing, thats what I'll be doing tomorrow too. :cool:

[pigracing]

Thanks for the advice. I'll be doing a lot of practicing before I weld much more.
My mother in laws boy friend can weld so he'll be helping me a lot too.

I'm using a lincoln pro mig 180.

As requested in another thread here's some pics of my dash from before the re-build:

I started with a cardboard template:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/1mockup.jpg

Then my dads buddy took over at his shop where he manufactures odds and ends.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/2Build.jpg

Pretty much finished product:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/dsidedash.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/DSC01040.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/centerdash.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/psidedash.jpg

E&J wireworks in Escondido did the wiring for me:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/DSC00933.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v185/4.0lb2/Bronco/DSC00934.jpg

[pigracing]

Turn up the heat. The welds look a little cold. Looking good otherwise.

What's your plan for body mounts? Solid? and rear bumper I noticed that you filled the holes. You welding that to the frame?

It'll be solid mounted. The bumpers still riveted on. It'll get removed once I start boxing it and then replaced with just some tubing. I'll be doing the same to the other cross member in front of it.

[Ckrue689]

dude, that dash is intense..

[AngerIssues]

Dude... I'm so jealous.

I wish I had that SAME dash for the full-size bronco. If you could mass produce that same basic shape that fit the 80 through 96... how could you NOT sell a lot?

anybody know any good manufacturers in china who could stamp these out??? :o)

[pigracing]

Dude... I'm so jealous.

I wish I had that SAME dash for the full-size bronco. If you could mass produce that same basic shape that fit the 80 through 96... how could you NOT sell a lot?

anybody know any good manufacturers in china who could stamp these out??? :o)

haha. It wouldn't be hard either. With out the glove box dealio it's really only 4 pieces and was punched out on a cnc machine. Then a just a few bends and a few passes with the welder and there she is.

Of course those fiberglass dash's seem to be the hot ticket now.

[11wnb]

Of course those fiberglass dash's seem to be the hot ticket now.[/QUOTE]

I'd pick your dash over a fiberglass one any time.

[Ckrue689]

me three!!!

[CopyKat]

Any updates James??

[pigracing]

Well the frame's almost all boxed up...
I was going to hold off on any updates untill then. Maybe i'll get around to posting a couple pics this week end but i'm also supposed to be moving yet again so who knows.

[CopyKat]

Well as long as the Bronco isn't moving they you should be good.

But sure would be sweet to have your own shop to work in.

[pigracing]

The pig's staying put. Just the wifey and i moving on into our 6th place in the last 2.5 years. We're putting money away for a down payment on our own place already so hopefully the next move will be into our own home.

On a positive note my neighbors have these nice trucks and trailers with these oddly familiar big blue M's all over them.... I wonder who they could be?

[CopyKat]

On a positive note my neighbors have these nice trucks and trailers with these oddly familiar big blue M's all over them.... I wonder who they could be?


Lucky bugger, you live next to the Blue M&M? I hear the red and yellow throw the best parties.:D:p:D

[BajaBronco13]

Lucky bugger, you live next to the Blue M&M? I hear the red and yellow throw the best parties.:D:p:D

I heard the Red M&M is a real ladies' man. LOL

[Blanco]

You guys talking about these guys?
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/jossdenice/mms_malade.jpg

[CopyKat]

You guys talking about these guys?
http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii186/jossdenice/mms_malade.jpg


Yup and this must be the Blue guy that James is talking about.
http://www.bluemandms.com/bluemnm.jpg

[Blanco]

The Blue Dude looks to be doing much better then the red & yellow. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/17.gif

[pigracing]

You guys crack me up.

More like these kinds of M's:
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/McMillin1.jpg
Have yet to talk to them but it's a pretty awesome sight when they come home from a race.

Anyways though here's where the pig stands:http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff152/3pod151/Other/Pig%20Racing/100_2113.jpg

[BajaBronco13]

James,

I was out at the Ojos Negro 200 this pass weekend and thought you'd like to see a BII tearing up the course:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751199/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer-2.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751200/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer.jpg

This was a three seater racer Bronco.

CP

[Broncodawg]

Nice truck, sun visor reads "Bronco 111", gotta love it.

[Blanco]

A Class 3 Bronco with an up dated front end. Makes sense to me. :D

[CopyKat]

James,

I was out at the Ojos Negro 200 this pass weekend and thought you'd like to see a BII tearing up the course:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751199/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer-2.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751200/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer.jpg

This was a three seater racer Bronco.

CP

Nice!

[Ckrue689]

James,

I was out at the Ojos Negro 200 this pass weekend and thought you'd like to see a BII tearing up the course:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751199/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer-2.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/751200/fullsize/bronco-ii-racer.jpg

This was a three seater racer Bronco.

CP

This bronco is almost exactly where mine was heading.. my jaw dropped when I first saw the pictures.. Can anyone guestimate what tire size hes running? I want to say a 33 but man the 1st pick looks almost like a 35!

also james u say u moved next door to the mcmillin boys? im going to assume scott because I live next to mark in blossom valley.. Andy Daniel and Luke are actually my second cousins.. i laughed when I found out but it turned out to be true and they are a blast to go riding with, they are all phenomenal drivers for their age btw..

[fj40]

This bronco is almost exactly where mine was heading.. my jaw dropped when I first saw the pictures.. Can anyone guestimate what tire size hes running? I want to say a 33 but man the 1st pick looks almost like a 35!

35's, That thing really moves and gives trucks some heat, it looks scary in turns:eek::eek:
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z249/tioernesto_2007/DSC_0299.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z249/tioernesto_2007/707.jpg
http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z249/tioernesto_2007/DSC_0263.jpg

[pigracing]

James,

I was out at the Ojos Negro 200 this pass weekend and thought you'd like to see a BII tearing up the course:

This was a three seater racer Bronco.

CP

Right on. Thanks man. The bronco's been stagnate since my wife and I decided to try to buy a house but we're getting closer everyday and hopefully by new years we'll have it and then that bronco's getting some long over due love!

[pigracing]

also james u say u moved next door to the mcmillin boys? im going to assume scott because I live next to mark in blossom valley.. Andy Daniel and Luke are actually my second cousins.. i laughed when I found out but it turned out to be true and they are a blast to go riding with, they are all phenomenal drivers for their age btw..

Yeah I was living out in Poway for a bit across the street from someone who was very much involved with the mcmillins. I'm not sure who it was as we never really met each other but they had a couple mcmillin trailers, a chase truck, some times a little semi and on a few occasions even their TT parked in front of their driveway. I moved (again) out of that place a few months ago though.

[CopyKat]

So whats the status of this thing? I hope it's not rusting in pieces.:D

[pigracing]

So whats the status of this thing? I hope it's not rusting in pieces.:D

Well it was bad planning/timing on my part to attempt to build this thing while saving for a house but I figure by new years we'll be buying and then, once i finally have a garage the build will commence