garage queen updates

[roach]

as instructed.....................

please post all question and or comments pertaining to the bronco that Moss has labled as the "garage queen" in this thread.:D jusk kidding. never intended to highjack shane's "cage updates" thread so here is my own. enjoy (repost)

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/20.gif Garage queen!

Thats Great, Do you have any pics of it from the front with the flares & TTB etc? http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

What year front clip you gonna run?

Those Look like Hanneman flares?

[roach]

this is a 95 bronco, so it has the front of that year (obviously). i will throw in photos here and there as we work on it. PLAN ON SEEING IT AT THIS YEARS BAJA 1000..................YOU HEAR THAT DON MOSS, THAT'S RIGHT, AT THIS YEARS BAJA 1K!!!!!!!!:D

[Blanco]

I like your positive additude! :)

I only asked about the front clip because so many people change from the earlier Body style '80 to '91 to the '92-'96 front clips..http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/shrug.gif

Looking forward to more Pics. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

this is a 95 bronco, so it has the front of that year (obviously). i will throw in photos here and there as we work on it. PLAN ON SEEING IT AT THIS YEARS BAJA 1000..................YOU HEAR THAT DON MOSS, THAT'S RIGHT, AT THIS YEARS BAJA 1K!!!!!!!!:D

(Copied and moved from Shaner Cage Thread) Coming along nicely, Roach...... I am building the same thing, but am much further behind in the build, although most of the plan is in place. Looks like you went with 6" wide front fenders. Why so wide, when the track width can only be 4" wider than stock overall? Seems like a lot of fiberglass hanging out there that isn't needed.......Plus the fact that it is supposed to closely resemble the stock look. Or, am I not going to have enough room with my 3" fiberglass fenders? Thanks for the info. Jerry
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[roach]

(Copied and moved from Shaner Cage Thread) Coming along nicely, Roach...... I am building the same thing, but am much further behind in the build, although most of the plan is in place. Looks like you went with 6" wide front fenders. Why so wide, when the track width can only be 4" wider than stock overall? Seems like a lot of fiberglass hanging out there that isn't needed.......Plus the fact that it is supposed to closely resemble the stock look. Or, am I not going to have enough room with my 3" fiberglass fenders? Thanks for the info. Jerry
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the 6" fenders were given to me on trade for some work i had done a while back. they do not look to bad when you shove a set of 35 projects under there, but yea, they are big. as far as the "supposed to resemble closely to stock look" - that refers to the design, not the bulge. they still follow the body lines thru the length of the bronco, so they are fine. i am going to try and get the rears to match also. if i cant find anyone who makes them that wide, then i am going to go back to 3" fronts and sell these. anyone intersted???

[roach]

started bulding the front suspension this week. lots of work!!! we are cycling it on "solid-works" to get it right the first time. each beam is getting a 1.5" extension and i am making custom radius arms. i wont have any photos for a bit, but will post as soon as i do.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

started bulding the front suspension this week. lots of work!!! we are cycling it on "solid-works" to get it right the first time. each beam is getting a 1.5" extension and i am making custom radius arms. i wont have any photos for a bit, but will post as soon as i do.

Sweet! Thanks for the info on the previous post. On the fenders, heck just get what you want now for the rears and let the fronts be a little bigger. No biggie, really. Just wait until you smash 'em, and them go with the 3" fenders. Looks great! Hey, why not just go 2" on each beam and call it good....or are you figuring on gaining that other 1/2" per side with the wheel off set? I'm still not sure EXACTLY how they want us to measure the 4" wider overall. Some say it's outside of the tire edge, others say it is from the center of a stock tire to the center of the built race truck tires. :confused:

[Blanco]

I'm still not sure EXACTLY how they want us to measure the 4" wider overall. Some say it's outside of the tire edge, others say it is from the center of a stock tire to the center of the built race truck tires. :confused:

When I last spoke to Savage, He said its measured from the center line of the tires, The same way the factory would measure it!

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

When I last spoke to Savage, He said its measured from the center line of the tires, The same way the factory would measure it!

Does he have a list of all the vehicles and what they are from the factory, or if there is a vehicle in question does he run around with a tape measure and try to find a stock one to go off of? If there is a list, is this list accessable? Like I said, I was just figuring on adding 2" to each beam and calling it good. I am planning on running stock rims so the center of the tire would be in the same location on the rim. I'm thinking this will be on the money.

[roach]

so, unable to get wider rear fenders, i am going to buy new 3" front fenders. so the 6" hanemens are for sale. i have a hood also. so you can buy the entire front fiberglass package for $500. a pair of haneman's and a trailer products fiberglass hood. e-mail me if interested and i will send you photos.

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/worthlessw-opics.gif

[retroblazer]

The truck looks great. The guy that's prepping my car saw it in person and confirms what the pictures are saying. Nice work. Then again, I wouldn't expect anything less from a pro.

[roach]

so here is a large image now that i know how its done.

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/9247/gq3qu6.jpg

http://img157.imageshack.us/img157/7517/gq4kv8.jpg

1996 bronco
351w
th400
np241
more info will follow as i keep building for this years baja 1000

[Blanco]

What do your Door bars look like?

[roach]

rear leaf spring perch and "B" pillar landing points.........................

http://img169.imageshack.us/img169/3302/bronco26nh0.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/7688/bronco25ua0.jpg

http://img372.imageshack.us/img372/6348/bronco50vp8.jpg

the perches are 3/16 chromo.

i will look to see if i have a shot of the door bars on my computer somewhere...........

[roach]

the cage with the cab removed. LOTS OF WORK to get the cab off and still be able to install it in the factory location. in the end, much worth it. if we roll it, we just go to the junk yard and get another cab and install it...................

all 2" .120 wall. already tagged by savage (score).


http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5783/bronco19da0.jpg


door bars conecting to "A" pillar and going towards the engine cage.......

http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/4360/bronco23fv3.jpg

another shot of the cage with the cab removed....

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6807/bronco21ez1.jpg

[Blanco]

Are you sitting on top of your fuel cells? :confused:
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/5783/bronco19da0.jpg

& wow! Looks like a pain in butt to get in & out of, especially for a fat guy like me. :o
http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/6807/bronco21ez1.jpg

[steveG]

Wow roach, that thing looks stout!

[roach]

a pair of 26 gal "Fuel Safe" fuel cells are located under the seats. they are pretty trick. they are connected in the center with a hose, so you can fill from either side of the car - or both if you need a fast pit!!! as far as getting out, i am 5" 8" 160lbs. old time runner. biggest run accomplished was the LA Marathon back in 98. i think i will be OK. besides, the cage window opening is no smaller than our class 1 cars at work. better safe than sorry.

[jonnyslick]

wow ... this shows just how technical class 3's are ... they're not just stock 4x4's with a cage and a rancho lift.

[chupakabras]

wow ... they're not just stock 4x4's with a cage and a rancho lift.

not anymore :)

[roach]

wow ... this shows just how technical class 3's are ... they're not just stock 4x4's with a cage and a rancho lift.

re-phrase...............

this just shows how technical class 3's "CAN" be.;)

[Blanco]

as far as getting out, i am 5" 8" 160lbs. old time runner. biggest run accomplished was the LA Marathon back in 98.

I'm 6'0" & 280 lbs thats why looking at that pic I thought Man I'd die before I could get out of that in a hurry! :o


Even though their supposed safe fuel cells..... I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel sitting on the fuel tanks? :o
But I must say its does seem like a great plan for maximizing your alloted space in a racer.

[steveG]

Roach, where do you work?

[steveG]

Nevermind, I just looked at your profile.... In my best Napoleon Dynamite voice: Lucky!

[roach]

I'm 6'0" & 280 lbs thats why looking at that pic I thought Man I'd die before I could get out of that in a hurry! :o


Even though their supposed safe fuel cells..... I'm not sure how comfortable I'd feel sitting on the fuel tanks? :o
But I must say its does seem like a great plan for maximizing your alloted space in a racer.

well, if you were to buy any class 1 car from us, you would get them under the seats also. we have been running them like that for some years now. max space savers and we can get alot of fuel in there also. my bronco is gonna hold 52 gals of fuel, thats not bad! next time you see Chuck Hovey's new class 1 - look inside that. that thing is one big fuel cell!!!! but he never has to stop for fuel, either. your suspension characteristics stay more consistent becouse you do not get the low fuel level on the rear of the car. the only thing we are gonna have to sort out is getting as much weight in the rear to try and balance the truck out. so the radiator, batteries, tires, tool bag, and etc are being located in the rear somewhere. we took some time planning this out, so i hope it all works.

[Moss2]

Looks pretty good.. I think some of our co dogs would need a Gurney bubble though. Do you have a target weight that you would like to stay under?

[jonnyslick]

quick question roach ... looks like you just using the shell of the cab with fiberglass all around, but what about the floor? i thought class 3's had to run the stock floor pan (with allowences for sinking fuel cells and what not) and/or the stock firewall. but i don't have my rule book with me at the moment.

are you guys just gonna' skin the floor with sheet aluminum, and if so is that legal per 3 rules?

[straightaxle]

Looks good, lots of tubing, door hinges not required! I like the spring perches, the stock ones are junk and won't work with race springs anyway.

52 gallons of fuel would really be nice, that is a pretty normal place to mount them in a buggy. We have our fuel cell as far back in the frame as we can get it, and honestly I can barely tell the difference when the tank is full or empty. I think it has something to do with how much weight we already have back there, and a 10% change is hard to notice.

I really look forward to seeing it out there. Might have to take a couple days off your regular job to get it finished though. It has taken 3 years to get this far, and there's still a bunch of work to do! (You know I'm kidding you!)

[petepecas]

Muy bonito Roach...
really, beautiful truck, congrats....
looking forward to see it on the 1000?,
jeeez, makes me wanna throw away my K5...;)

[Mr. Pickle]

quick question roach ... looks like you just using the shell of the cab with fiberglass all around, but what about the floor? i thought class 3's had to run the stock floor pan (with allowences for sinking fuel cells and what not) and/or the stock firewall. but i don't have my rule book with me at the moment.

are you guys just gonna' skin the floor with sheet aluminum, and if so is that legal per 3 rules?

I would like to hear the answer to this question. It really sparked my interest. The build looks great!

[straightaxle]

I would like to hear the answer to this question. It really sparked my interest. The build looks great!

Skinning the interior and floor with other than stock sheet metal has been done by vehicles in C3 that have already been approved by SCORE and raced. There was quite a bit of discussion on another forum by racers that wanted to run stock sheet metal trucks once a year at the Baja 1000.

[Mr. Pickle]

So in theory class 3 can be like say a TT or class 8?

(follow me here, I am not trying to insult any one or start anything, this is an honest question)

So I could take a 'stock' chasis, tube frame the rest of the vehicle (much like the queen) and then throw on fiberglass fenders and a cab shell and be approved in SCORE? I thought for class 3 people had to use metal body sheets?


I am being kinda critical because I am in the works of building a class3 and I do not want to build something that was meant to be raced against class3s from 1998. Thanks for any info guys. Here is a shout out saying thanks to retroblazer for answering my questions on RDC.

[Mr. Pickle]

Hey, who changed my avatar? I think it is sweet! Thanks to whoever did that.

[retroblazer]

So in theory class 3 can be like say a TT or class 8?

(follow me here, I am not trying to insult any one or start anything, this is an honest question)

So I could take a 'stock' chasis, tube frame the rest of the vehicle (much like the queen) and then throw on fiberglass fenders and a cab shell and be approved in SCORE? I thought for class 3 people had to use metal body sheets?


I am being kinda critical because I am in the works of building a class3 and I do not want to build something that was meant to be raced against class3s from 1998. Thanks for any info guys. Here is a shout out saying thanks to retroblazer for answering my questions on RDC.


The rules about the frame are pretty clear. Yes, you can run tubular sub frames off the stock frame, but you are still need to incorporate the stock frame. Most of us have boxed our frames, but I guess it could always be done by integrating tube into them. I'd love to see some examples.

[retroblazer]

Skinning the interior and floor with other than stock sheet metal has been done by vehicles in C3 that have already been approved by SCORE and raced. There was quite a bit of discussion on another forum by racers that wanted to run stock sheet metal trucks once a year at the Baja 1000.

I believe the rules say that the stock material must be replaced by similar thickness material. I don't know if it says that it has to be the same type of material. Steel vs. aluminum

[Moss2]

I believe the rules say that the stock material must be replaced by similar thickness material. I don't know if it says that it has to be the same type of material. Steel vs. aluminum

It doesn't say that. " Must retain stock steel cab" Which is the roof, windshield posts and pillars behind the door that can be seen from outside. "No internal stock sheet metal is required" The other pieces, on a Bronco anyway that must remain steel are the door sills that can be seen and the cowl piece. If you look carefully Roach has all these on his and nothing else. The only other metal required is to meet CR39 firewall and CR42 floorboard rules that have no thickness requirements. All other bodywork can be any material as long as it still looks somewhat like the vehicle you started with. Mounting relationship of Body to Frame stock +-1".

Rulebooks are cheaper than steel and labor.

[roach]

It doesn't say that. " Must retain stock steel cab" Which is the roof, windshield posts and pillars behind the door that can be seen from outside. "No internal stock sheet metal is required" The other pieces, on a Bronco anyway that must remain steel are the door sills that can be seen and the cowl piece. If you look carefully Roach has all these on his and nothing else. The only other metal required is to meet CR39 firewall and CR42 floorboard rules that have no thickness requirements. All other bodywork can be any material as long as it still looks somewhat like the vehicle you started with. Mounting relationship of Body to Frame stock +-1".

Rulebooks are cheaper than steel and labor.


could not have said it better myself. i went back and forth many times with Savage to clarify the rules for me. i have kept all that is needed to be legal. you can run fiberglass doors, hood, front and rear fenders. all firewalls can be replaced with whaterver you want. also the floor. that goes for any and all sheetmetal from the rear or the truck. even the inside can be skined. the roof of the trucks have an inner shell and an outer shell. you can remove the inner shell and still be legal. Don is right, it had taken me a couple of years to get to this point. mostly becouse we were low on finances after i ran the 2004 season. but we are back on it and most of the time was taken by going back and forth on rule clarification with Savage............so what you see is what you get when it comes to being legal.

[retroblazer]

It doesn't say that. " Must retain stock steel cab" Which is the roof, windshield posts and pillars behind the door that can be seen from outside. "No internal stock sheet metal is required" The other pieces, on a Bronco anyway that must remain steel are the door sills that can be seen and the cowl piece. If you look carefully Roach has all these on his and nothing else. The only other metal required is to meet CR39 firewall and CR42 floorboard rules that have no thickness requirements. All other bodywork can be any material as long as it still looks somewhat like the vehicle you started with. Mounting relationship of Body to Frame stock +-1".

Rulebooks are cheaper than steel and labor.

Thanks for the clarification.

[Blanco]

Hey, who changed my avatar? I think it is sweet! Thanks to whoever did that.

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif I'm the only one here that can do that!

I'm glad you like it. :o

[Norra 1000]

Thats a great looking Bronco, There was a lot of time and hard work put into it, Great looking tube work, Looking forward to seeing it at the 1000, Iam in the process of building a class 3 1969 Blazer and will post photos real soon

[jonnyslick]

awesome thread ... but also shows how a competitive C3 can easily end up as much as a class 8 truck. this is prob. one reason why the class is loosing interest b/c for the same about of money as the C3 you can race in a "faster" division.

it's sad but *most* people will always choose the faster/popular/largerst/newest division for the same amount of money.

i just love C3 though b/c of the vehicles themselves. like the Moss Bronco...how cool is that thing!? it's the best.

[roach]

awesome thread ... but also shows how a competitive C3 can easily end up as much as a class 8 truck. this is prob. one reason why the class is loosing interest b/c for the same about of money as the C3 you can race in a "faster" division.

it's sad but *most* people will always choose the faster/popular/largerst/newest division for the same amount of money.

i just love C3 though b/c of the vehicles themselves. like the Moss Bronco...how cool is that thing!? it's the best.

you know though, as much as i preach how open a class 3 "can be", remember that i can have a bitchin' cage, all the bitchin' fiberglass, cool guages and the biggest GPS available, tubeworks 4" housing rear end, Alcon 6-piston brakes, and a 800hp rousch built stroker, but still be limited to my front and rear 4X4 driveshaft angel/suspension limits. the same limits that the Moss Bro's and anyone else in class 3 has to deal with. the fact is that we are all going to reach a max travel limit with our 4X4's that are not dictated by rules, but by our own class. desert racing is just short of being "all about suspension travel".

a few years back, i think it was John kearny winning class 3 in a jeep cherokee. how much travel do you think that thing had??? mine had 10" up front, 12" in the back.

[Moss2]

awesome thread ... but also shows how a competitive C3 can easily end up as much as a class 8 truck. this is prob. one reason why the class is loosing interest b/c for the same about of money as the C3 you can race in a "faster" division.

it's sad but *most* people will always choose the faster/popular/largerst/newest division for the same amount of money.

i just love C3 though b/c of the vehicles themselves. like the Moss Bronco...how cool is that thing!? it's the best.

I dont know class 8 hasn't exactly been overflowing with entries either. I think there are just way more options these days on what you can build and race. Some poor misguided individuals spend as much on a Rhino as they could race a 3 or 8.

[jonnyslick]

I dont know class 8 hasn't exactly been overflowing with entries either. I think there are just way more options these days on what you can build and race. Some poor misguided individuals spend as much on a Rhino as they could race a 3 or 8.


NO KIDDING ... at the last 250 i was talking to a guy about his Rhino and he was telling me he had sunk over $25K into it! :eek: how it had all this, and all that on it and was one of the faster Rhinos out there. i was laughing to myself when we passed him in our Class 11. hehe :p

*of course he eventually re-passed us .. but still*

Roach, you're right about the suspension travel. i guess that is something we tend to forget about, but is one of the main limiting forces in C3.

[steveG]

Ricardo, Any more updates?

How about some pics of the drivers beam and how you extended it?

[peteh]

looks great!

[roach]

Ricardo, Any more updates?

How about some pics of the drivers beam and how you extended it?

sorry, still building. i am a one man show over here. work all day, come home to do this all night to meet the baja 1000 deadline. i will post as i can and keep you guys up to date.

here are some shots of the steering i just got done...........of course, had to get the Momo wheel for bling factor!!

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5338/dsc06674op2.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/1920/dsc06676zz2.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7216/dsc06680sl1.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/8921/dsc06681rv1.jpg

http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/7688/dsc06682lu3.jpg

[roach]

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/7438/dsc06679kc3.jpg

[BajaBronco13]

Roach,

Your rig is going to look and run bad @$$ I'm sure. I can't wait to see it done.

CP

[Blanco]

Are you Tig Welding everything on it? :confused:

[roach]

Are you Tig Welding everything on it? :confused:

everything is chromoly and everything is TIG'd.

my tig welder runs on overtime right now, my poor mig is collecting dust.

[roach]

staring to fit the body. THIS IS MORE WORK THAN WHAT I WANTED!! it is falling into place nice though. by the end of july we should have a painted rolling chassis ready for engine, plumbing and electrical (I HOPE!!)

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/8196/dsc06822ws3.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/1346/dsc06816hj4.jpg

http://img117.imageshack.us/img117/6932/dsc06815nm8.jpg

[Blanco]

So how is it you fit the Stock steel cab over that detailed cage? :confused:

Do the rules allow you to chop it up & reweld it back together around your cage?

Looking Bad Ass by the way! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

what the expected Race date?

[roach]

the cab comes up and over the cage. it is mounted with various tabs. it takes at least three guys, not heavy at all, just akward to hold and lift.

as far as our projected date, we are in line to do the baja 1000 this year.

[Blanco]

what does SCORE consider a Cab? :confused:

& whos fenders are those?

I'm thinking they look like Hannamans?

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

staring to fit the body. THIS IS MORE WORK THAN WHAT I WANTED!! it is falling into place nice though. by the end of july we should have a painted rolling chassis ready for engine, plumbing and electrical (I HOPE!!)

That is looking friggin SAWEEEET! I got wood. Hey, Roach. What color are you going to paint it? Please don't say RED! Anything but RED! JK :) Well, just so you and everyone knows right now, I'm painting mine red. So if you do go red, I'm not copying you. :D Congrats on the progress. LOOKS BADASS!

[Moss2]

Well, just so you and everyone knows right now, I'm painting mine red. So if you do go red, I'm not copying you. :D Congrats on the progress. LOOKS BADASS!

You are a Fireman right? Kinda figured it would be red!

Looks good Roach. What is that hood from?

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

You are a Fireman right? Kinda figured it would be red!


Uhhh, errrr, ummm. Yes :D
Well, if Roach is going red, we'll just have two badass looking late model Bronco's in Class 3. I'm cool with it. :) I won't vandalize his truck with a turd brown spray can. :)

[151FAB]

[QUOTE=Moss2;3445] I won't vandalize his truck with a turd brown spray can. :)

Turd brown was the color I was gonna use.:D

[Moss2]

Hey I didn't post that! I dont even use the word Turd.

[151FAB]

Hey I didn't post that! I dont even use the word Turd.

LOL! Sorry, I quoted the whole post and deleted what I wasn't referring to. I failed to delete your name from the top of the quote. I'm still laughing at your responce though.:D :D :D

Notice new signature below.

[straightaxle]

That is looking friggin SAWEEEET! I got wood. Hey, Roach. What color are you going to paint it? Please don't say RED! Anything but RED! JK :) Well, just so you and everyone knows right now, I'm painting mine red. So if you do go red, I'm not copying you. :D Congrats on the progress. LOOKS BADASS!

Cripes! Come get the red paint I have on the shelf, looks like you have now claimed that color! I call red the Dusty Times cover car color.

[Rocketman]

Hey whats wrong with red !!!!

[roach]

so, sorry to keep everyone in suspence. it is hard to take photos of my project while it is on jackstands in a 2 car garage - cant get far back enough to get a good shot. also had to clarify some issues with score tech before i could proceed..........

so, today the body got sent to get painted............anyone wanna guess the color???? it should be back in the next week or two.

[Yikes]

Leprechaun green? :D

[151FAB]

Cockroach Brown?

[Blanco]

blanco? :rolleyes:

[151FAB]

My official guess is.... dark blue

[jonnyslick]

Bass boat red ... yummy ... haha

and what 'glass is that again?

[Blanco]

What ever colors Jimco runs on their racers? :confused:

[fj40]

forest green.....

[Blanco]

Something tells me your gonna paint it BLUE! :rolleyes:

[Moss2]

Something tells me your gonna paint it BLUE! :rolleyes:

Yeah but maybe that is the plan for 2009 which will be the first year he could possibly run that number too! Its nice to be optimistic though...

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Yeah but maybe that is the plan for 2009 which will be the first year he could possibly run that number too! Its nice to be optimistic though...

True...true....true.....and yeah, maybe Blue! 2008 should be intresting. May have more competition for that #300 besides Roach. The Kia's might turn up for the season as well. Who knows? Hey, Don, "IF" the #300 gets taken away from you, are you gonna build a new truck and move up and into class 8?

[straightaxle]

To build a new truck, I would have to win the lottery. If that happens, we won't mess with class 8, we're going straight to Trophy Truck!

[chupakabras]

To build a new truck, I would have to win the lottery. If that happens, we won't mess with class 8, we're going straight to Trophy Truck!

i had that dream too, haha, i agree.:)

[roach]

Yeah but maybe that is the plan for 2009 which will be the first year he could possibly run that number too! Its nice to be optimistic though...


come on now, harsh harsh:p

that drawing was made when we needed a logo for some sponsor situations. since i have no "actual" race number, we just threw the "300" on there.

but hey, i would start getting used to the idea anyway:cool:

[roach]

oh, and the body should be back hopefully at the end of the week!!

[151FAB]

IT's the end of the week; pictures, is it mounted yet? HeHeHe...

[roach]

IT's the end of the week; pictures, is it mounted yet? HeHeHe...

so did anyone guess this??????

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7531/dsc07476wf8.jpg

[Yikes]

Leprechaun green? :D

so did anyone guess this??????

http://img57.imageshack.us/img57/7531/dsc07476wf8.jpg

:D:D:D

[roach]

:D:D:D

winner!!!!!

ANYONE WANT TO SEE MORE?????

[Yikes]

You don't have to ask that. Come on, come on!!!! Don't make us wait any longer.

[Blanco]

Well, that will stand out in the field. :cool:

Why green?
Now your gonna have to change the color in your Avatar. :rolleyes:

[steveG]

winner!!!!!

ANYONE WANT TO SEE MORE?????

No thanks, that's good enough.

















Stop being a tease!

[roach]

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[Blanco]

I hope for your sake you can drive as good as that thing looks! :D

[Yikes]

Saaaaweeeet!! That will be the standout Bronco of the year right there. It would look good with my logo across the hood. :D

[Blanco]

Save a good spot on it for our C3R stickers. :D

[Brokenbronco]

Oh Kermie!

http://www.emmys.tv/events/2005/images/hen_pigker586.jpg

[fj40]

Talk about a standout color....... I like it.

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

Looks great, Rick. Let's see more!

[roach]

I hope for your sake you can drive as good as that thing looks! :D

oh, its like that, huh? no respect, i tell ya. :cool:

lets put it this way, no too much in rear bumper is done. now the front bumber will have some strength built into it as i plan to kindly ask fellow racers to move out the way for "mean green!"

my old race car was green, not as bright though. thought i would keep the tradition alive as we had some good finishes with that old car. plus it stands out from over a mile away coming into the pits and the kids love the color - and that plays into the autism awareness fundraisers we would like to do for the entire season next year.

besides, if you are walking down contingency, and see a black bronco, a white bronco, and maybe even a red bronco, wont you bypass all of them to see the one that is "glowing" in the daytime? i can promise lots of attention at my contingency push-thru!!

and thanks for all the compliments. yea, yours too Cam.

[Blanco]

thanks for all the compliments. yea, yours too Cam.

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[AngerIssues]

wow!

I truly haven't been following all the "project" threads.... I guess I'll have to back up and see if the underside has as much going on as the "shiny" side!!

These guys are right... talk about an attention getter!

[roach]

It would look good with my logo across the hood. :D


it can happen, all you need to do is provide me with this logo first.....


$$$$$$

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

besides, if you are walking down contingency, and see a black bronco, a white bronco, and maybe even a red bronco, wont you bypass all of them to see the one that is "glowing" in the daytime? i can promise lots of attention at my contingency push-thru!!

Well good thing they'll be swarming around it at contingency, since they will be swarming around the cool Red one at the finish line! :) Don't worry, Rick. They still allow second place a few seconds for "thank you's" on the poduim! :)

[roach]

Well good thing they'll be swarming around it at contingency, since they will be swarming around the cool Red one at the finish line! :) Don't worry, Rick. They still allow second place a few seconds for "thank you's" on the poduim! :)


ok, i see how its going to be. the bashing begins! THANKS CAM!!:p

BRING IT ON LADIES!!

bring your dresses with your best high heels for a photo shoot at the finish line. not too sluty, but definately not innocent either. you will all be my trophy biiaatches!:cool:

[RelentlessPursuitRacing]

ok, i see how its going to be. the bashing begins! THANKS CAM!!:p

BRING IT ON LADIES!!

bring your dresses with your best high heels for a photo shoot at the finish line. not too sluty, but definately not innocent either. you will all be my trophy biiaatches!:cool:


LOL! Sweet! Hey, Rick, are you gonna make the 1000 this year?

[Blanco]

Yeah, whats the 1st race you plan Popping the queens cherry at?

[BajaBronco13]

Looking good Roach. I think it's time to update your Avatar. :)

[EGud]

Gawd Dang! That'll give em something to aim at! :cool: I like it! Have a truck painted the same color. Everybody called it the "big apple". :D

[locopny]

Everybody called it the "big apple". :D
Just go FAST so they dont call it a "granny smith"



J/K I like it.

[Brokenbronco]

Just go FAST so they dont call it a "granny smith"



J/K I like it.

:D you made a funny...

[roach]

so, here is what she looks like naked..............enjoy you perverts!!!!;)




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[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/ewg.gif I cant wait to see this thing in person!

Whats your target 1st race?

[Rocketman]

Anyone seen my Lotion!!!
Nice ride Roach,Looks like time for AL to step up...

[151FAB]

Are those casters hanging off the rear? Plan on wheeleing alot or what?:D

[Rocketman]

Those are long travel wheeleee bars;)

[roach]

still lots of work before we get it in the dirt. the casters you see in the rear (and in front if you look close enough) are what it sits on in the garage. it is a frame that bolts onto the bronco frame to be able to wheel in around in the garage. we loaded in onto the trailer so the graphics guys can do their magic next, and i just left the caster cart on there for now. we have not even droped our race motor or tranny in it yet. LOTS OF WORK TO GO!!!

we had BIG plans for this years Baja 1K, but unfortunately my daughters quinceniera (yes, i am Mexican, for those who dont know a quinceniera is what we do if you whites were doing a sweet sixteen) has taken way more funds from us than anticipated. we are WAY over budget on this party - to the tune of about $8,000 now!!!! AAHHHH!!!!

anyway, priority's first, and my baby girl gets hers before i get mine, sooooooooooo...................we now hope to debut for the Baja 250. we have no intentions on doing Laughlin.

i hope to see more 3's out there soon. by the time we debut i would like to see at least 10 in class (so i can cash out big with my trophy!!!!:D)

[chupakabras]

still lots of work before we get it in the dirt. the casters you see in the rear (and in front if you look close enough) are what it sits on in the garage. it is a frame that bolts onto the bronco frame to be able to wheel in around in the garage. we loaded in onto the trailer so the graphics guys can do their magic next, and i just left the caster cart on there for now. we have not even droped our race motor or tranny in it yet. LOTS OF WORK TO GO!!!

we had BIG plans for this years Baja 1K, but unfortunately my daughters quinceniera (yes, i am Mexican, for those who dont know a quinceniera is what we do if you whites were doing a sweet sixteen) has taken way more funds from us than anticipated. we are WAY over budget on this party - to the tune of about $8,000 now!!!! AAHHHH!!!!

anyway, priority's first, and my baby girl gets hers before i get mine, sooooooooooo...................we now hope to debut for the Baja 250. we have no intentions on doing Laughlin.

i hope to see more 3's out there soon. by the time we debut i would like to see at least 10 in class (so i can cash out big with my trophy!!!!:D)

cooolll, nice for your doughter, i'm already saving for mine, haha, she's 1 and a half years old, haha, so i have more than 13 years to save, anyway, your truck looks awsome, we really want to do the 1k, but well, the 250 is for sure that we will be there, , so, keep on working and good luck with your doughter..

[steveG]

we had BIG plans for this years Baja 1K, but unfortunately my daughters quinceniera (yes, i am Mexican, for those who dont know a quinceniera is what we do if you whites were doing a sweet sixteen) has taken way more funds from us than anticipated. we are WAY over budget on this party - to the tune of about $8,000 now!!!! AAHHHH!!!!

Where's the party? We're all invited, right?:D

The truck looks awesome. Thanks for keeping us up to date.

[151FAB]

Bump for some updates!!!

[flyinbronco]

Come on we want updates!!!:D

[locopny]

but unfortunately my daughters quinceniera (yes, i am Mexican, for those who dont know a quinceniera is what we do if you whites were doing a sweet sixteen) has taken way more funds from us than anticipated.

guess I shoulda been a girl...and mexican...cause I didn't get squat when I turned 16...aside from some cookies and a new shirt.:D

[AngerIssues]

we have no intentions on doing Laughlin.

i hope to see more 3's out there soon. by the time we debut i would like to see at least 10 in class (so i can cash out big with my trophy!!!!:D)


cool build photos! I'd leave the "wheelie bars"... they would make for fun conversation at tech!

Is the cage 2" - some photos it looks like, but others I thought not.

I wouldn't look for 10 in Laughlin any time soon. You all know my thoughts, way too much money for so little racing. The most we've ever had was 3-4.

Come race the Mint 400 with us! I am hoping for 10 in class there, and will be contacting (or trying to) everyone who has raced class 3 or 1450 in a SWB.

[BajaBronco13]

Hey Roach,

Any updates on the Mean Green Machine? Reminds me of my old big wheel. That thing rocked and I'm sure your C3 will as well.

Chris

[roach]

well, here we are. at the fork in the road.

on one hand...........releasing the badest class 3 built since probably the Ahsley/Smith days.

on the other, full help and support IF i switch classes now.

sorry guys, i am jumping ship. moving onto a 2 seat 1600 Jimco. my daughter is just about old enough to ride with me now, and i can get lots of help from Jimco, but not if it is in a Ford. sucks, in a way.........becouse i really looked forward to removing the King from his throne (we all know who I am talking about). good news, obviously, is racing in a Jimco 2 seater 1600 car. so now maybe one of you lucky guys can be the new proud owner of the mean green???

yes, that means it is for sale. i will sell whole or part out. would prefer to sell whole though. here is a break down of what i got to go with it right now.................



class 3 project

no mild steel anywhere, everything on this ride is chromoly
2" chromoly cage, score legal and tagged
pair of 25 gal custom fuel safe cells. 50 gal total. fit under seats for better weight distribution. connect in the center, so you can fill both sides at the same time, or do one and fill both.
comes with all fiberglass front to back, including grill, headlights, and turn signals. hood is glassworks, fenders and henneman, doors and rears are perry's. body is completly removable in case of rollover for easy repair and replace.
custom steering bearing assy and mount, all chromoly shafts and Sweet U-Joints from the steering wheel to the steering box.
C&R radiator with heat exchanger built in as a tranny cooler.
B&M pro ratchet shifter, custom console mounted
4 15x7 american racing wheel machined for 5/8 studs
3 BFG Projects. 2 front grooved are new with 0 miles
ATI engine adapter kit, adapts 351w to TH400 tranny
400hp 351w long block w/ accesories (on serpentine belt)
3 spare TH400 trannies
2 NP241 t-case's
vdo guages, includes efi fuel pressure, oil press, water temp, oil temp, tach
pair of Bosch high pressure fuel pumps
custom aluminum radiator catch can
2 spare front dana 44 drivers side beam assy's
auto fab motor mounts
deaver 1/4 elliptic springs

stripped truck alone: $5000
fuel cells: $1500
all fiberglass: $850
custom steeing: $150
radiator: $350
shifter: $100
rims: $250
engine adapter: $350
long block: $1800
spare tannies: $500
spare t-case's: $600
guages: $200
fuel pumps: $200
radiator catch can: $80
spare dana 44's $250
motor mounts: $200
deaver springs: $600
BFG project T/A (2) $350
BFG mud T/A $150


those are the prices for all the parts if i part it out. again, i would like to sell as a whole to someone who will finish and race it. we had plans to do 1/4 elliptic in the rear, so these are custom built springs from deaver for the rear weight of this truck. i can also provide the mounting locations for the rear lower links and the upper wishbone link for the rear suspension. we had done this on solid-works and were able to get 19" of usable travel with 28 degrees on the u-joints. the motor was built here in san diego. i can try and locate the builder for you if intersted in specs.........the guy i bought it off also lost interest in a project he was building and i forgot who the builder was.

all this totals to $13,480, so lets just call it $13,500.

i would consider selling it whole for $12,000.
I AM NOT DESPERATE TO SELL IT!!!! so dont call me with some low-ball offer. if it does not sell, i will keep building it a little at a time and use it as a pre-runner or something.

this will be a really nice ride if the right person gets ahold of this. half the work is done. if intersted, E-mail me and we can discuss further. thanks.

[roach]

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[roach]

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[Blanco]

sorry guys, i am jumping ship.

That Sucks! :(

[AngerIssues]

That Sucks! :(


I wonder what that means? The Bronco was too far along to quit???

ken

[Blanco]

I wonder what that means? The Bronco was too far along to quit???

ken

That was my thinking as well. :rolleyes:

I suppose as long as someone buys it & race's it in Class 3 thats all that matters.( Damn sucks being broke. :o )

I personally was excited to see Roach actually race it. :cool:

[roach]

I personally was excited to see Roach actually race it. :cool:


maybe the right person will buy it and i still will?

i am not getting out of this class becouse i dont like it. i would consider finishing it for someone else (obviously money being the key there!) and maybe sometime i could get in it?? options are always there. i have alot of time, energy, and money invested in this. alot of personal thoughts and ideas here. the cage desing, how the cells are, how the body is removable, etc, etc, etc, etc. these are all ideas of mine that no one has really taken the time to do.

you got to admit, that untill i started building this, it seems that many of you were in the dark as to what could be done in class 3. everyone was still thinking "stock" was the key word in the rules. i would like to think that i opened the doors back up in this class and maybe spark interest as well.

i just got a good oportunity with the 1600 class that i dont think i can pass up. i have raced the buggy's and i have raced the trucks. i like racing the trucks personaly.

i am also finishing up a Jeepspeed project for a friend / customer. i will probably also be driving that from time to time. somehow someway, i will still be involved in this class. hey if it dont sell, i will continue to build (at an even slower pace!!) and just show up one day unexpectedly!

i got a feeling you guys will still se it though...........i posted this for sale yesterday and already have several interested members.


P.S.
i was asked if it had a rear end becouse it was not listed, sorry about that............there is a rear end here, but it is a bone stock bronco 9". banjo housing.

[roach]

oh, and throw this into the deal...............

if you got one, and are interested in the bronco, we can trade a little.............

i am looking for a 16 to 18 foot enclosed trailer. not a toybox with sleeping quarters, but strickly a car trailer with maybe a bench or something. thanks

[localmotion]

My wife said I could have it after she gets a new house.

[3amigo]

I was wondering about the body. Is the only steel the a pillars and the little roof panel? Is that all the stock body that the rules mandate?

[wiley-moeracing]

wow... close call, us old school guys were getting a little worried by your tricked out ride, so who's gonna step up and finish this ride???? that is one bada$$ class 3 though, shame you jumped ship!!

[retroblazer]

wow... close call, us old school guys were getting a little worried by your tricked out ride, so who's gonna step up and finish this ride???? that is one bada$$ class 3 though, shame you jumped ship!!

Anybody in Ricardo's shoes would be doing exactly the same thing. We have to thank him for getting another new Class 3 into our ranks. Someone will race this truck. I'm certainly considering it.

[fj40]

Anybody in Ricardo's shoes would be doing exactly the same thing. We have to thank him for getting another new Class 3 into our ranks. Someone will race this truck. I'm certainly considering it.

DEJA VU!!!, some how I had a feeling this could happen.... good luck Chris. and good luck to you Roach in his new proyect.

[Blanco]

Up-Dates :confused:

[gunit]

I purchased the C3 project from Ricardo and we (Ricardo and I) are in the process of finishing it now. Our goal is to race it in the 1000. Right now, it does not look dissimilar to the pics you have seen, we will post more pics as things progrss.

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/awesome_dude.gif

I"m soooo happy :D to see that a C3R member bought it & that its still moving forward.

[AngerIssues]

I purchased the C3 project from Ricardo and we (Ricardo and I) are in the process of finishing it now. Our goal is to race it in the 1000. Right now, it does not look dissimilar to the pics you have seen, we will post more pics as things progrss.

AWESOME!!!

:cool:

[petepecas]

Great to know it stayed in the C3R family!
Now for the test of fire:cool:

[roach]

yup, Dave is the new proud owner.

cant tell you guys how many people where calling me and making counter offers to tell dave to take a hike and sell it to them!!

i have thanked Dave a couple of times in person, but let me thank him publicly..........

i want to thank dave for a couple of reasons.

first - he is keeping it here with you guys. staying class 3 legal and being raced with you guys. he has set a goal for the baja 1000 of this year.

second - his visions of this car being finished is nothing short of what i had in mind. so you will see this thing to the end as i had planned on it.

third - for letting me (or should i say "paying" me:D) to finish it just the way i had intended it to be done.

and last, the most important - for allowing me to work a deal with him in which i will still hunt down Don and his brother and show him just how brite green this will look as i pass him!!!!:D

first order of business will be to mod the door bars to allow Dave access in and out. the new design was just given the OK by Score Tech (Savage), so i can get started on that. then we move onto the seats, then rear suspension and then front. as i start building, i will send all photos to dave, and he can post as he wishes. this is his truck now.

[roach]

hey, does that mean i have to give up my avatar???:(

[steveG]

third - for letting me (or should i say "paying" me:D) to finish it just the way i had intended it to be done.

Awesome! While I was looking forward to seeing someone finish it, I was bummed that it wouldn't be you. I really admire your entire approach to the project. I'm looking forward to it's completion and competition.

Everyone here and all the "BroncoSpeed" guys are rooting for you Dave! I doubt there will be a shortage of support.

[Blanco]

hey, does that mean i have to give up my avatar???:(
Why would you?
Your Avatar is Blue. :cool:

Everyone here and all the "BroncoSpeed" guys are rooting for you Dave! I doubt there will be a shortage of support.

BroncoSpeed. :rolleyes:
They could of at least came up with something more original instead of totally ripping off JeepSpeed of their Name.

No offensive ment towards you Steve. :o

[Brokenbronco]

Why would you?
Your Avatar is Blue. :cool:


BroncoSpeed. :rolleyes:
They could of at least came up with something more original instead of totally ripping off JeepSpeed of their Name.

No offensive ment towards you Steve. :o

Just remember Cam, most of us rip off artist Broncospeed guys were sticking up for you when you were going through your **** storm, so watch what you say!

[Yikes]

Really looking forward to this now! Couldn't have been a better buyer for it and we know Dave and Ricardo will put it through it's paces. This could be a great boost for the Class. When is the last time a TTB Bronco has won the 1k? Ha!

[roach]

When is the last time a TTB Bronco has won the 1k? Ha!



2008!!!!!!:D

[Yikes]

Bump! I don't have anything clever to say....just bump.

[gunit]

Work in earnest is to begin next week, new pics will be posted as things progress.

[4x4dudester]

Work in earnest is to begin next week, new pics will be posted as things progress.

Can't wait to see it when its finished!

[roach]

well, all the mods have been made..............

BUT,

you will all have to wait for Dave to come back from the 500 and post the photos i have sent him:p


now comes the fun stuff - rear suspension!

[steveG]

well, all the mods have been made..............

BUT,

you will all have to wait for Dave to come back from the 500 and post the photos i have sent him:p


now comes the fun stuff - rear suspension!

You TEASE!

[4x4dudester]

Any updates?

[gunit]

Any updates?


A peek...

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/651121/fullsize/dsc08523.jpg

[Yikes]

The revision looks good Dave. In fact, structurally it looks better in some respects. Is that enough space for you? No pun intended.

[roach]

i am compiling some photos for dave.....................

you guys can ask him to post them as soon as i send them.

been reall busy, both at home and at work (despite the economy, we are very busy at work!!!)

some of you may not know, but we welcomed our 4th child 7 weeks ago. and this adds to my busy schedule! also, i seem to notice quite a bit more gray hair going on - i dont know if they relate or not.
i just about have a full "in house" race team going on here.

anyway, just thought i would drop a line and let you know i am still here!!

[steveG]

some of you may not know, but we welcomed our 4th child 7 weeks ago. and this adds to my busy schedule! also, i seem to notice quite a bit more gray hair going on - i dont know if they relate or not.
i just about have a full "in house" race team going on here.

Congrats on the new little one! 4 kids plus work plus a race car on the side... Now that's a full plate!

[Yikes]

Alright, how about an update Dave? Does this thing still exist?

[fj40]

there are four kinds of jewelry,wholesale jewelry (http://www.jewelryol.com/),fashion jewelry (http://www.jewelryol.com/),handmade jewelry (http://www.jewelryol.com/) and costume jewelry (http://www.jewelryol.com/) ,which one do you like ?

I tought we had a new update on the "GQ", bummer.....

[gunit]

Alright, how about an update Dave? Does this thing still exist?

Soon, we are working on the car and it continues to progress albeit slowly.

Has there been any progress on your race car? What did you decide to do for a rear axle?

[Blanco]

So whats the latest?

Is it ready to race the MINT?

[AngerIssues]

A peek...

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/651121/fullsize/dsc08523.jpg


Dear God... this is the world's longest build. I sure hope you kick my ass on your first race. Perhaps this is like a fine wine? getting better by the day??

:o)

I didn't get into this sport for a popularity contest - he he

ok - just hoping to see that green macheen run!!

[roach]

ok, ok, ok, ok, already.

i am sending dave a number of photos while he is away at SF.

here are some teasers that i am sure he would not mind me displaying for him. i will be doing the shock mounts next, and that is my favorite work to do. i can get very creative and artistic when it comes to making plate mounts.

enjoy you garage queen whores!


pre-cut parts are the way to go - thanks SolidWorks!
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i wont tell you how much travel i got, but i will say that we are running a 40" long driveshaft!!!
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http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/8089/dsc09433.jpg

[Blanco]

Very impressive looking! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

[broncoaz]

so i guess its not a class 3 racer anymore,no leafs

[roach]

so i guess its not a class 3 racer anymore,no leafs


i love this......................this will end up like the "20 questions" until someone gets it right:D

it IS class 3 legal.
i will say no more and let Dave reply if he wants when he gets back.

[Yikes]

i wont tell you how much travel i got, but i will say that we are running a 40" long driveshaft!!!

Wow! That's impressive. Goes to show what a little homework can do. I'm guessing 23.5" with a little grinding on the double cardan. Nice work Ricardo! Glad to see you're making progress.

[Blanco]

i love this......................this will end up like the "20 questions" until someone gets it right:D

it IS class 3 legal.
i will say no more and let Dave reply if he wants when he gets back.
Actually you already posted what your doing with the rear suspension in the past.

[Grimm]

Quarter Eliptical? Or was that someone else?

[broncoaz]

hey i might of missed what blanco is talking about so if i did my bad , ill go back through the forum and get the rest of the info

[roach]

Actually you already posted what your doing with the rear suspension in the past.

are you sure Cam??? we came up with some new ideas in the last week or so;)

[Blanco]

are you sure Cam??? we came up with some new ideas in the last week or so;)
Well, theres no way I'd know the new ideas... :rolleyes:

But heres what you've already told us.
Class 3 Racing Forums - View Single Post - local apprentice wanted to fabricate

[gunit]

Work is proceeding again on the Bronco. We've just finished the rear axle complete with all of the link mounts.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/745325/fullsize/p7230001.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/745326/fullsize/p7230002.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/745327/fullsize/p7230003.jpg

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[Broncodawg]

Some beautiful beef there!

[Yikes]

Great news Dave!! Work looks good. I was just thinking about you the other day, wondering how things were going. Can't wait to see this finished.

[flyinbronco]

Are you still shooting for the 1000 Dave?

[gunit]

Are you still shooting for the 1000 Dave?


That is still the plan at this point.

[steves118]

Sooo, what class will you be racing ? i guess sportsmen . unless 3-4 link are legal in class 3. i guess this class is open . thats fine by me

[retroblazer]

Sooo, what class will you be racing ? i guess sportsmen . unless 3-4 link are legal in class 3. i guess this class is open . thats fine by me

Currently it is legal to have a 3 or 4 link, but what is subject is the springing.

[steves118]

I assumed the housing was finished ,and it looks like its set up for trailing arms . i do not see spring hangers

[Blanco]

I assumed the housing was finished ,and it looks like its set up for trailing arms . i do not see spring hangers

I do..:cool:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/745326/fullsize/p7230002.jpg

[David Kennedy]

I like this game of speculation racing... Here's my guess:

The SCORE rules say "Secondary suspension systems are allowed. With secondary suspension system disconnected the primary system must be capable of maintaining ride height +- 1.5-inches."

So to racers like these guys, that really means "You can build any kind of suspension you want (three-link with an upper wishbone, coilovers, and bypass shocks mounted to the lower links in the photos). Then you have to mount a "leaf spring" as your primary suspension, but honestly, all that leaf spring has to do is hold the rear of the vehicle up to within 1.5 inches of ride height."

Based on the rulebook, all the leaf spring really has to be is a "ride-height facilitating device". I can't even find anywhere in the rule book that says they primary suspension (leaf spring) has to be functional at the end of the race. So you might be able to get away with a "leaf spring" that wasn't critical to the dynamic energy control of the vehicle (you know, the important part) as long as it held the vehicle up at the beginning of the race.

Now, if SCORE required the primary suspension to support the vehicle to within 1.5-inches of ride height at the end of the race--that would be a trickier deal all together.

For the record, I can’t wait to see this Bronco race.

[straightaxle]

I like this game of speculation racing... Here's my guess:


For the record, I can’t wait to see this Bronco race.

Been holding our breath for like 7 years now!


Rear spring setup should be pretty much like the Pike's Ramcharger.

[steves118]

Seven years, thats about as long as the debate for a rule change
As usual Mr B the score rules are quoted . but with out the intent of the rule. but i guess thats part of racing . figure out where the loop hole is and then get opinions that confirm we read the rules to fit our builds

[gunit]

Here are some pics of the engine that will be in the car. It was built by Dougan's racing engines in Riverside, CA. It is 433 ci, dry sump, Ford SVO Yates C3 heads and intake.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747448/fullsize/class-3-013.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747445/fullsize/class-3-009.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747443/fullsize/class-3-007.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747437/fullsize/class-3-001.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747438/fullsize/class-3-002.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747439/fullsize/class-3-003.jpg

[Blanco]

Single plane intake?
What RPM range was that built to work best in?

[roach]

Been holding our breath for like 7 years now!




come on now, that is a low blow.

[retroblazer]

Nice looking motor, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't dry sumps banned from score 3?

[gunit]

Nice looking motor, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't dry sumps banned from score 3?

Dry sump oiling is not restricted, here is a copy of the rule:

CR23 Engine & Engine Displacement
Where applicable, engines must displace no more than specified, & SCORE may check engine displacement & location. In classes that require stock fuel injection, this will require the use of stock intake manifold & throttle body for the motor for which it is attached. Computer & injectors are open.

Engine must be of the same manufacturer basic design & type & have the same number of cylinders as the one installed by the manufacturer. Any displacement engine may be used as long as the original block casting remains the same. Block must be made of the same type of material as that of the block is installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer for the particular chassis & body series. If vehicle is supplied with an aluminum block, only the aluminum block installed in the vehicle by the manufacturer may be used. Engine must be readily available to the general public in the U.S.A.
Engine must not have more valves per cylinder than the stock heads that where delivered in that vehicle.
Any make of automotive carburetor(s) may be used maintaining a combined total of not more than one venturi per cylinder. Stock factory fuel injection may be used.
Items with no restrictions include:
(A) Strengthening & balancing
(B) Valve train & camshaft
(C) Bore & stroke
(D) Pistons
(E) Blueprinting
(F) Oil & water cooling systems
(G) Air cleaners
(H) Fuel pumps
(I) Exhaust systems
Water & vapor injection not allowed unless originally equipped.
Engine must be located in the stock mounting location as delivered from the manufacturer +/- 1 inch. This will be measured from the centerline of the front spindle to the back of the block. Engine height must remain stock +/- 1 inch as measured at the centerline of the crank.

[flyinbronco]

come on now, that is a low blow.

Not really because you know its true.:D


Nice looking motor, and correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't dry sumps banned from score 3?

Read (F) You are corrected.



That is one purtty engine.

I'm eager for this trucks first race.

[gunit]

Some of the parts acquired for use on GQ in the last few months:

Atlas 2.0 transfer case with cable shifter.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748158/fullsize/p8010025.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748159/fullsize/p8010024.jpg

King 4.0 bypass shocks all the way around.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748156/fullsize/p8010045.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748153/fullsize/p8010042.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748154/fullsize/p8010043.jpg

70 gal fuel cell.
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748160/fullsize/p8010047.jpg

Walker Evans beadlocks and 37" BFG Projects
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748163/fullsize/parker-032.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748162/fullsize/dsc08965.jpg

[gunit]

Trailing arms and shock mounts complete:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748146/fullsize/p8010033.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748141/fullsize/p8010028.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748140/fullsize/p8010027.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748139/fullsize/p8010026.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748149/fullsize/p8010036.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/748152/fullsize/p8010041.jpg

[retroblazer]

More beautiful fab work. Who welded the rear arms? Is the fuel cell still going under the front seats? 4.0 Kings on all four corners?

[gunit]

The arms were started by Ricardo and finished by Steven Arlia of Arizona Precision Fab. APF is going to help me build the car to completion.

I decided to go away from the under the seat fuel cells for two reasons: 1. I wanted to lower the seat height and 2. I wanted more fuel capacity, I went form 50 to70 gallons. The new cell sits between the frame rails, behind the cab and in front of th rear axle.

Yes, King 4.0 on all four corners.

[Yikes]

This is getting exciting now Dave. Glad to see you're moving on it again. I like the decision to move the cell. I thought the seats looked too high also. 4.0's??!!!! Nice. Love the way it's turning out. The fabwork continues to look top notch.

[Blanco]

Single plane intake?
What RPM range was that built to work best in?

I'll ask again, because I'm wondering what RPM range do most Class 3's race in?


I suppose that all depends on gears & such, but I never pictured needing a high rise single plane intake?
I figured bottom end grunt might be more important?
Am I wrong?

[retroblazer]

size counts. 433" of anything should have plenty of low end. Most of the time I think I'm pulling 2000-4500.

[Blanco]

size counts. 433" of anything should have plenty of low end. Most of the time I think I'm pulling 2000-4500.

433"? :confused: what is that about?
Cam Size?

That intake look's alot more like its ready for NASCAR, than Desert racing Class 3 in my opinion?
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/747438/fullsize/class-3-002.jpg

But then again I'm not an off road racer, that can claim I know what does & dont work or why.. :o

The thing does look BAD ASS though! :D

[gunit]

I'll ask again, because I'm wondering what RPM range do most Class 3's race in?


I suppose that all depends on gears & such, but I never pictured needing a high rise single plane intake?
I figured bottom end grunt might be more important?
Am I wrong?

This engine makes over 500FP of torque from 2500 rpm to 5500 and that is the general range that we will be running in.

There are not as many choices in the intake manifold when using the Yates heads but with 433 cubic inches and the cam used, it has plenty of low end.

[Blanco]

This engine makes over 500FP of torque from 2500 rpm to 5500 and that is the general range that we will be running in.

There are not as many choices in the intake manifold when using the Yates heads but with 433 cubic inches and the cam used, it has plenty of low end.

Thanks for the info. :cool:

Looking forward to seeing you out there kickin ass! :D

[Joe Rockhead]

I saw this truck two years ago in the garage in Chula Vista.It is going to be quite the race car when it is done.And it sounds like it is getting close.Can not wait to see it in action.

[Rocketman]

Gunit (dave),
you have a pic of a 70 gal cel there , have you removed the cells under the seats or is this an additional 70 due to the thirsty apetite of the new power plant?

[gunit]

Gunit (dave),
you have a pic of a 70 gal cel there , have you removed the cells under the seats or is this an additional 70 due to the thirsty apetite of the new power plant?

I am not using the twin under seat cells and I am going to use the 70 cell cell exclusively. The twin cells are available for sale.

[flyinbronco]

I am not using the twin under seat cells and I am going to use the 70 cell cell exclusively. The twin cells are available for sale.

Geez. If he used all three he would have to put placards on the sides of the truck along with needing a tanker and hazardous materials endorsement on his drivers license.:D

[gunit]

The upper link is nearly completed and it is turning out nice.



http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/750252/fullsize/att00009.jpg

[Yikes]

Oh man! You're gonna have a roller again soon! Keep it coming Dave. Given the popularity of Broncos right now, your rig could well rekindle Class 3.

[Blanco]

I can see it in Dirt Sports magazines Masterpiece N Metal already. http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/7.gif

[flyinbronco]

The upper link is completed and it turned out nice.



http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/750252/fullsize/att00009.jpg

Thats too nice to hide under the truck. I'd put it in my front yard next to the garden gnome.:D

[gunit]

A few more updates:

We built a crossmember to attach the three link mounts to

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/752285/fullsize/img_0056.jpg

We are boxing the frame in the areas that need reinforcement

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/752287/fullsize/img_0057.jpg

We re-did the tire carrier to make the tires sit lower

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/752289/fullsize/img_0059.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/752292/fullsize/img_0062.jpg

Still a ways to go
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/752293/fullsize/img_0063.jpg

[Blanco]

http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

[AngerIssues]

Somebody remind me why we have a 3-linnk in this truck? thought it was going to be Class 3 legal. I will apologize up front if that was covered in previous posts. This build-thread is longer than some of my desert-racing stories... and they can be long :D

Maybe it's a 3-link and still leafs? Seems odd to do it though.

[Grimm]

I believe it is going to be a 1/4 eliptical rear leaf. Correct me if i'm wrong.

[gunit]

It will be class 3 legal and it will have a 3 link

[retroblazer]

It will be class 3 legal and it will have a 3 link

Class 3 legal with a three link is nothing new, the million dollar question is how will it be sprung? Leafs with coilovers? I hope you guys have found a way to do straight coilovers, because if so, I'm all over it.;)

[jkrell]

It will be class 3 legal and it will have a 3 link

Very nice truck. Doesn't look like there is room for quarter elliptic unless rear is changed a bit...how about floating leafs with shackle pivots front and rear? I've seen a few old school 7 opens built that way...pretty cool if so.

[gunit]

A few updates:

The wishbone is now finished with heims and stress relieved.

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754810/fullsize/img_0141.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754808/fullsize/img_0140.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754811/fullsize/img_0142.jpg

The new trans crossmember:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754806/fullsize/img_0138.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754807/fullsize/img_0139.jpg

Extra support for the transfercase:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754804/fullsize/img_0136.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754805/fullsize/img_0137.jpg

More work on boxing the frame, now ready for final welding:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754802/fullsize/img_0134.jpg

Link mount on crossmember & frame:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/754803/fullsize/img_0135.jpg

The next pics will be of the truck on its wheels (at least in back)

[BajaBronco13]

Nice work there Dave.

[Blanco]

Wow!!!
That thing really is a Class 3 Trophy Truck! :eek:
Are you shooting for a Matserpiece in Metal magazine write up!?!?!?

[gunit]

Wow!!!
That thing really is a Class 3 Trophy Truck! :eek:
Are you shooting for a Matserpiece in Metal magazine write up!?!?!?

No, Actually I am shooting for a Baja 1000 win.

[Blanco]

No, Actually I am shooting for a Baja 1000 win.

Good luck! :cool:

[Norra 1000]

Thats some VERY NICE WORK!! it will pay off when the flag drops, I think you guys went way above the class of any other Class 3 ever built, I hope it runs half as good and the skill level that went into the planning and construction, Keep up the first class work

[gunit]

A few updates:

1. The front trailing arm mounts are complete

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757630/fullsize/img_0160.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757632/fullsize/img_0161.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757631/fullsize/img_0159.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757633/fullsize/img_0162.jpg

2. The wishbone mount in finished form:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757634/fullsize/img_0164.jpg

3. Fuel cell located:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757637/fullsize/img_0168.jpg
View from the cab:
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/757638/fullsize/img_0165.jpg

The rear suspension is nearly complete, will will finish the fuel cell mounts this weekend. Next week we begin working on the front suspension.

[Yikes]

Nice Dave!! 2010 should be interesting.

[fj40]

anticipation grows........

[gunit]

The sacrificial rear bumper:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759649/fullsize/img_0190.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759648/fullsize/img_0192.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759650/fullsize/img_0191.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759651/fullsize/img_0193.jpg

Engine torque plate:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759647/fullsize/img_0198.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759644/fullsize/img_0202.jpg

Transfer case mounts:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759643/fullsize/img_0200.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759646/fullsize/img_0199.jpg

Frame is now boxed all the way to the front:

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/759645/fullsize/img_0203.jpg

We have set the sway bar in place and are working on the rear bump stops and sway bar links this week.

[tcm glx]

Simply awesome work on this!! So looking forward to see it completed!! very nice work guys!

[TimmyD]

This is a very maticulouse build. Great Job! What is the latest??

[gunit]

This is a very maticulouse build. Great Job! What is the latest??

See it here: http://www.gofastbroncos.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=133

[AngerIssues]

Nice Dave!! 2010 should be interesting.

You mean 2020? :D

Ok, I'm just jealous.

[Blanco]

Looks like the garage queen, might actually be ready to race! http://www.thewebwheeler.com/forums/images/smilies/16.gif

Testing!

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/835467/fullsize/gun-it.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/835468/fullsize/gunit1.jpg

Gotta love this rig!
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/835469/fullsize/gunit2.jpg

http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/835470/fullsize/gunit3.jpg
http://www.supermotors.net/getfile/835471/fullsize/gunit4.jpg

I hope all went well with your testing...

[AngerIssues]

uh... looks just like the soccer-bronco that had 150k miles when I "adapted it" to off-road racing! :o)

very very very nice!

can't wait to see it run!

I know the leafs are there... I just don't see them?

ken

[Blanco]

No matter what the angle I love that rig!

[Yikes]

http://gofastbroncos.com/forum/download/file.php?id=1696

[jkrell]

Truck looks nice all finished up! Racing the Baja?

[Broncodawg]

Truck looks nice all finished up! Racing the Baja?

That's their plan. Good luck with your new effort Jon. You getting some left seat time?

[jkrell]

That's their plan. Good luck with your new effort Jon. You getting some left seat time?

Very Cool.

And thanks...Ya i'm helping Perry and Jeff Coan race their jeepspeed this year...i'll be driving the section from coco's to san ignacio.